Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragón, July 31st 1996

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The only thing we agree on is that Floyd was attempting to counter the right hand with his left hook. It didn't work. Aragón clipped him before the hook was even halfway to its target (Floyd never got a chance to land it). The fall and his body language preceding it are clearly the result of the shot landing, and where on earth do you see Floyd's legs tangled?

    I find it telling how 3 of the biggest PBF ride or die fans of all time posted in the first couple of pages (Michigan Warrior, Pimp C, and bballchump11) and not one questioned the legitimacy of the knockdown. In fact, you're the first person to ever do so in the history of the world, AFAIK. Not even any troll has attempted to spin it as being a "slip". Just admit that Mayweather got dropped fair and square, and then if you must give it a positive spin mention how in the subsequent 21 years of his career (including his entire pro campaign) it never happened again.
     
  2. MVC!

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    No no, starting to get tangled, you could see that his legs were starting to cross as he was on the backfoot after Aragon charges at him coming of the ropes.

    This isn't as clear cut as people make it out to be, you can see JUST AT the 2:07-2:06 moment that his legs were starting to cross because he needed leverage/body positioning to generate power onto the left hook just before the right hand landed, milliseconds before.

    You can also see that the punch was more a grazing punch than a flush one, it mostly scraped the bottom of the headgear above the shoulder and most of the force of said punch was minimized as the punch for the most part rolled off as you can see. It definitely was not a punch that landed flush, I implore you to take a closer look. He threw a left hook, he tried to roll off the right hand but was already kind of off balance and that's why that right hand managed to get him down as he was already not in a fighting stance due to him moving backwards at such a pace, like I said became off balance as a result.

    I'm really not trying to play devil's advocate, troll or whatever. Just saying what I'm honestly seeing.

    It's definitely not clear cut, well at least to me.

    I want Pimp, Michigan and Bballchump to take a closer look.

    He definitely was never dropped in the pro ranks, that much is very very obvious.
     
  3. MVC!

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    It's really a shame we can't get a clearer video of this, it's really hard to see where the punch really landed. Hard to see too clearly.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    Here, I've distilled the moment in question into a GIF for ease of expedient ocular digestion.

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    Does a single other person on the planet, besides MVC!, find this knockdown in the least ambiguous?
     
  5. Drew101

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    Floyd make the mistake of squaring his stance as he was shifting back from southpaw to orthodox while thowing his counter left. Aragon clipped him with the right at that precise moment and the impact caused Floyd to go over. It's not a particularly hard kd, as Floyd was off balance more than anything, but FMJ did go down on the end of a punch that landed while he wasn't particularly well balanced. When that happens, we generally refer to it as being a knockdown. :thumbsup:
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well, I do think Aragón's connect was cleaner (and made up a greater share of the ratio contributing to Mayweather going down, in conjunction with his compromised balance on both occasions) than Judah's glancing right hook, which also probably ought to have been ruled a KD but was more of what I'd call an incidental/flash KD. Mayweather did get the "assist" by putting himself in position with his guard down while backing away from the ropes (and queuing up a hook, brazenly underestimating the hand speed, timing, and trigger instincts of Aragón) but no more so than Hatton in turn gave him the assist by putting himself in a bad position to make possible the famous Turn-buckling incident. Floyd wasn't seeing cartoons birdies & stars but he was caught with a short hard quick shot from a known strong guy, and did convulse before and during his descent, so I'd say it stung. I can probably count how many punches he took in the pros that were that jarring and have at least one hand with a couple of digits left over.
     
  7. MVC!

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    A 1996 Olympic bout is causing a great deal of controversy!! :eeek:
     
  8. Drew101

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    Oh, I would say for sure that Aragon's shot got Floyd's attention and would have anyway had he stayed upright. That said, I have to wonder it it would have had a similar affect as Judah's famous counter hook had Floyd been in the same postion (leaning forward, chin slightly raised but not square) that he was against Zab. Likewise, I wonder how the '96 version of Floyd reacts if he gets caught by that counter right hook when completely squared up.

    Both of them were among the better shots that Floyd shipped during his career in boxing, though.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    It really isn't. :lol:
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well...nobody follows me on Twitter, so there was low turnout for my poll, but it was unanimous. :sisi1

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    100% of respondents (er, both of them) voted "knockdown". :deal:
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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    Today is the fight's 24-year anniversary (and the thread's seventh).