Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao: IB's Keys to Success

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I did a run through the other day with a friend that lasted over an hour where I broke down every possible scenario of how both of them can beat the other, did all the posing and fighting out of the Southpaw position imitating Manny's movements Floyd's movements what punches they have to throw and at what angle. I felt like a douchebag after it went on for over an hour.:verysad:lol:

    But that was a good breakdown IB although the music in the background was too loud but you couldn't control that, nice gritty Abel Ferrera vibe to it, I tend to get way too intricate and obsessed on one little thing and hyper fixate one little detail that I think could happen, and that's usually why I'm so OCD banging the drum on here of whatever pick I've settled on because I run the scenario over and over and it always seems right and I usually am, but of course all anyone wants to fixate on is the losses I rack up in my picks, never on the wins which out number them. But I stand by most of my assessments its just that the fighters don't implement what I think they should do.:conf Sometimes I **** up like with Mitchell-Estrada or Chavez-Fonfara oh well.

    I'd like to do a lot of write ups like that, but I think its ultimately pointless and most of the readers on here don't care and get bored reading stuff like that so I don't even try. And I can explain a hell of a lot better just walking around and talking because I talk with hands like Quentin Tarantino, and I talk a lot. Typing that **** out long form bores me. Too much work. And I'm way too long winded anyway.

    But maybe I should give it a try.
     
  2. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    You a big drum guy I take it? They were pretty good from what I saw... James was pretty cool and talked with some friends and I for a bit after their set was done, I mostly went for Wintersun by Arsis definitely put on a good show that night,
     
  3. Komaster

    Komaster Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I feel with the unpredictability of pacquiao's attack ie: one two , then one two three four, then one two three etc etc - Floyd will look to negate it with the step in , low with the hips and shoulder and tie up. Pacquiao hasn't much of an uppercut to speak of so this will be a safe ploy for Mayweather. Expect a counter or to with a low head from Floyd and he'll unfortunately be on his way to an un-aesthetic decision win. Hopefully though, Pacquiao adjusts his attack. This is believe is the key for him - adjust, change, swap etc. Raise and lower the attack fight backwards, forwards, keep it non rhythmical. Pacquiao can win via a corybantic cacophony of mixed up flows, positions and paces. Good luck to both.
     
  4. scrolllock

    scrolllock Active Member Full Member

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    Keys to Success

    take every necessary advantage you can get, refs, judges, venue, memo, pillow gloves, protective cups, socks, ... no dionisia
     
  5. reanthefox

    reanthefox Active Member Full Member

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    hard to jab a southpaw. if youre banking on that, floyd will really have a hard time.
     
  6. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac: Come out swinging like good old times and ko Floyd early

    May: Out box
     
  7. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Is that you in the Vid IB ? I always pictured you as a small mexican-american. Don't know why.
     
  8. dublynflya

    dublynflya Stand your ground Son!! Full Member

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    :lol:

    The crazy thing is, so did I!!! Which is odd when you consider the fact that the guy is a Bostonian!!

    We must just associate Intentional headbutts with Mexican-Americans for some strange reason.

    Nice work IB. :good

    As stated, the key to a Mayweather victory is obviously getting the right hand (thrown as a lead, which he does do brilliantly, or part of a classic 1-2) going early.

    Perhaps Floyd will double up with right (jab, right, right)? Maybe even fire off three right hands off a jab (a jab, right hand, slight adjustment in angle, another right, another slight adjustment in angle, followed by another right).

    If Floyd gets some early success with the right hand, that greatly enhances his chance of victory (nothing like a good right hand to discourage a southpaw, even one as great as Manny).

    I can't wait. :bbb
     
  9. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A check hook might not be a key.

    Manny is going to be attacking inward and to Floyd's left. Stepping even further left, faster than Manny, and hitting him hard enough to redirect him would be a very tall order. And like you said, that right hook tho.

    I don't know if I've seen Floyd do this before, but it seems that if he wants to vary the straight right he could step inside Manny's lead foot and throw a short left hook down the middle (Ward vs. Dawson style).

    I don't think the jab will be a factor. Floyd simply doesn't throw it against southpaws (for good reason).
     
  10. dublynflya

    dublynflya Stand your ground Son!! Full Member

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    I think Floyd will utilise the jab. It is only a guess of course, but I do see him using it. He is the more skilled boxer, has a reach advantage and the jab sets up his most important weapon (particularly against an aggressive southpaw like Manny), the right hand.

    A well timed jab, isn't just a great offensive weapon, it has great value as a defensive tool. It can break the rhythm of almost any fighter. And against a fighter such as Manny, breaking his (Manny's) rhythm is essential.

    Now im not suggesting for one minute that Floyd changes his style and goes jab crazy (as you correctly mention, it has not been a punch he has consistently used against southpaws) but anything that may possibly break Manny's rhythm (apart from the anticipated significant amount of clinching) has to be attempted, surely??
     
  11. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great breakdown. Always good to have the visual aspect. Music was too loud. But, that's the gym's prerogative. So, thanks for the write up. Do you spar, as well, IB? Your punch technique looks a little too good to be in the armchair club. Certainly, hitting the bag is great cardio. I've been meaning to clean up my garage and put a heavy bag, speed bag and double end bag, down there. But, one project at a time.

    I agree Floyd's jab is key...and controlling distance. Gotta keep a fighter like Manny guessing. As ugly as it sounds, Floyd needs to initiate the clinch at times. Not enough to lose points, though. Of course Bayless will rush right in and say "Stop, Stop, Stop!" But, the point is to frustrate Manny, and not to settle into any predictable rhythm.

    Manny has great reflexes and does not hesitate to let his hands go. Some of Floyd's signature moves, like where he leaps in with the uppercut could intoduce his as$ to the canvas, for the first time. The pull counter will also be a risky move, which for sure Manny can counter the counter. If Maidana can do it (and he did so beautifully) Manny can do it. And it could be good night for "Money" May.

    I think Manny needs to not over commit, as he tends to. He will of course stay busy. He should employ the jab too to help close the distance. But, to hurt Floyd, I think he will need to bait Floyd and counter Floyd's counter. Very hard to do. But, he's quick and dynamic enough to.
     
  12. Tekniqs

    Tekniqs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    can you quiet down next time? I'm trying to listen to some Eminem!

    good breakdown man.
     
  13. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Great idea to make a breakdown video with extremely loud music in background!
     
  14. reanthefox

    reanthefox Active Member Full Member

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    i didnt really see floyd outboxed a southpaw.
     
  15. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    IB's key to success:

    Land punches

    ;)

    ps: Where are you training? in a whisky cellar? Looks interesting.