Floyd Mayweather Jr. .Vs. Mickey Walker @ 147

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Perhaps we should think about putting him in with a truly great Welterweight first?
     
  2. itrymariti

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    I came across that awful pile of **** in a shop today. I think that woman sports presenter who said that Hopkins didn't count as a legend (on account of the fact that he'd had more than one loss) probably had better ideas about boxing.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    1. If you dont understand the importance of a jab I dont know where to start. Simply put Walker will be hitting air allot

    2. Toney doesnt come forward as much but he handles much bigger men, 60-70lbs heavier than Schmelling

    3. Muscling a man isnt always effective, Hatton tried to muscle Mayweather and it didnt do him much good

    4. I suppose Monzon, Armstrong and Arguello must be as fast as Mayweather then using your logic that achievement equals speed and defense. Your logic is nonesense, there is zero proof of Greb having great speed or defense. We know he had a great workrate. On tape he is not very fast

    Floyds beaten plenty of bigger men Delahoya/Castillo/Corrales/Gatti all outweighed him between 10-15lbs in the ring

    5. Your the 1 who gave an example of Greb as someone as fast and as defensively good as Mayweather

    6. Mayweathers faced many body punchers, Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, Gatti and now Mosley. Mayweather has withstood broken ribs in fights and has a great body defense, elbow blocking and ofcourse great evasiveness and countering skills. If Walker throws left hooks to the body the right elbo blocks and the right uppercut lands flush on Walkers chin on 1 motion

    7. And they work harder to drain down for the most part. Compare the average heights now and in the 20s and the average measurements on division and you'll see todays fighters are bigger per division

    Dont put words in my mouth I never said Walker makes 130, I do say Mayweather has grown into the 147lb division and is strong at the weight

    8. Your right Walker hasnt fought anyone of Mayweathers ability and still picked up losses at WW, why do you keep calling Mayweather a small WW?

    9. What part of 'we're talking about a welterweight and not a light heavyweight Walker' dont you understand? Walker also never fought a 6'3 220lb muscled heavywight either (and Haye was around 215 in the ringfor his Cruser fights), he fought 190lb ex-LHW Schmelling who kicked his ass pillar to post despite Walker only giving up 14lbs. If Mosley added 30lbs of muscle mass maybe he'd compete with LHWs, who knows. In terms of strength and power at 147lb Mosley owns Walker and most WWs in history
     
  4. janitor

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    Wrong.

    Go back and look at his record.

    By the way Walker fought five men over 200 lbs and only one of them made it out of the first round.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Tail between my legs?

    What is the point of running away from one of the most inept and biased posters on the forum?
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Bearcat Wright?
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    Delahoya going upto DLHs 154lb weight class, giving up 15lbs in weight, fighting with DLHs selection of gloves/ring size. But wait DLH was 34, the 37yo Britton was far nearer prime :nut I bet a 38yo Mosley is considered too old too :nut
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Do you know the difference between muscle and fat? Walker beat a fat boy or 2 sure
     
  9. janitor

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    Wright was 210 lbs and walker climbed off the deck in the first round to beat and drop him.

    Arthur De Kuh was 223 lbs and Walker anihilated him in 1 round. De Kuh was no world beater but he was at least a fringe contender.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    You're saying you run away from yourself too? I don't know why you do that, probably something to do with your ******ation or a physcological condition, you should get it checked out
     
  11. McGrain

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    I know a jab is important, and what is more you know that I know the jab is important. Why do you play these weird little games? My point is, just because Walker, like Castillo (who almost beat Mayweather and drew with him on my card) doesn't have an ATG jab, he can still win the fight. Given the huge amount that stands in Walker's favour, it is very probable.

    Not in the same way Walker handles them. Again, i'm not going to spend valuable time breaking down for you the different ways Toney and Walker handle HW's, hopefully you can see for yourself.

    Hatton was smaller than Walker, and less strong. And yes, actually, it did do Hatton some good early in that fight.

    :lol: Why does the testimony of men who fought and watched him constitute "no evidence"?!

    None of those fighters are great, apart from arguably De La Hoya who was old and not fighting in his best weight division. As a reply to my original point this is pretty worthless.

    And this point has absolutley no relevance to what i just said. I just said that you're comparing fighters that have nothing in common. What does Harry Greb have to do with it?!

    This has NOTHING to do with what I just said!! What is your thining when you make these posts?! You're trying to say that Mayweather can replicate a style that he has never, ever produced int he ring and this is your response?

    Yes, often modern fighters are taller. Often old-time fighers were tall for the modern era.

    Regardless, Walker was bigger than Floyd is :lol:

    :lol:

    I didn't say you did say that! Are you sure you are responding to the right person? :lol: I'm saying that the fact that Walker is incapable of making 130lbs at a time in his career that Mayweather made it with ease is proof that Walker is the bigger man. Only someone as blinded/biased as yourself would need to have this explained to them because it is patently obvious to everyone else on the forum.

    :lol: I haven't called him a smaller WW. I'm saying he's smaller than Walker.

    And Mayweather is off a lesser calibre than men Walker beat at the weight, if Mayweather fights his entire remaining career at WW he won't overhaul Jack B in ATG rankings.

    I understand that flushing Walker's achievments post-welter would suit you, and I see no reason whatsoever to accomodate you. We can certainly learn about Walker from what's on film, thanks.

    Nope, he doesn't :good
     
  12. McGrain

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    Oscar was a light-middle, not a welterweight.

    Hence, he's never fought a great welterweight :good
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    1. The punch Castillo landed the most was the jab, which he used to set upbody shots in close. Personally I'd pick jab and speed as the keys for a similarly sized man to beat him, so I'd pick Hearns/Leonard over him at WW and probably Duran. Mayweather said about Hatton 'I'll never lose to a man without a jab' andwe didnt see Hatton landing any clean head shots

    2. We'll put the aside, but I take you dont think Toney was too strong for Hagler and Monzon, despite the fact. I'm playing by your rules here. If Hagler/Monzon arent too weak, then why is Mayweather to Walker? That was the point

    3. Hatton weighed in the ring between 155-160lb and was very stocky and strong. He pushed around the larger Collazo, Tyszu and yes Mayweather who was happy to fight hattons fight, I thought he'd look to use speed, move and keep it at range

    4. Greb was fast, but no men have said he was as fast as FMJ, mainly because no men have seen both. It would be interestin to read comparisons of Robinson and Greb from men who saw both

    What we d have proof of on film, is Greb apears alot slower than Mayweather and not as skilled.

    5. Define great?? Castillo is 1 of the best LWs of the past 20years with a heck of a resume at the weight, Corrales was too for that matter. hatton was linear champ for 4 years beating Tyszu and Castillo and going undefeated at 43-0, albeit being protected from some.

    6. You brought Greb up :fire

    7. Mayweather will use his own style, just because. The man most similar to Mayweather in the era was Benny Leonard, but that fight didnt happen, so we cant compare, Leonard as probably smaller too

    8 Indeed but on average fightes are getting bigger per weight class. Evenif Walker is the stronger man, thats something Mayweather has dealt with many times.

    9. Main point I was trying to make is that floyd is bigger and stronger at 147lbs now than he was at 130lbs, hes a strong 147lber. Walker is weaker at 147lbs than he was at 170lbs, both have similar levels of muscle mass, Floyd has a lower percentage bodyfat

    10. We're talking ability here and I hae no doubt a 28yo Mayweather is better than a 37yo Britton

    11. Maybe Walker wasnt even prime at WW? If fighting LHWs proves Walker is stronger than other WWs then why did he need to add 25lbs of WWs? If you think Walkers strength was greater because he managed to compete at LHW weighing 170 why dont you think Pacquaio would be too strong/hard hitting for ATG FWs who didnt go upto WW like Pac? The 2 cases are pretty much the same both men added 25lbs of muscle to competeat a higher weight class, it doesnt make them better at the original weight class. That in essence was my point
     
  14. McGrain

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    Hatton and Walker are polls apart, and Hatton did well enough to win several early rounds with his tactics.

    Castillo almost beat Mayweather with a pressure plan and Walker is his superior.

    This is the bottom line.

    :lol: I'm assuming this is a joke? You ACTUALLY want me to explain the difference to you? Ok.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFEWCeQ6Kw[/ame]

    At 3:20 you can see Walker close the distance on Schmeling, deliberately, and wrestle. During wrestling he forces him back on his heels and tries to make room for a punch. This is the type of thing Mosley, who is "definitely stronger" than Walker was able to do to Margarito :lol:

    Shortly thereafter we see Mickey use his strength to prevent Schmeling for making his own space, although he has to stand straight up to do it, so his balance isn't going to be 100%. This is against a HW.


    Now, here is Toney:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37hfEAlGVkg[/ame]

    In spite of his obesity, Toney is on the move permenantly. He's remaining as mobile as possible, staying out of the way of the stronger HW, he really wants to avoide going inside. Whenever Peter closes to mid-distance, he takes a step to avoid an inside encounter. When he gets pinned to the ropes, he uses upper-body movement to avoid getting caught up on the inside. When Peter (who is a pathetic in-fighter) closes the distance, he tuckes his head in and waits for the referee to seperate them or for Peter to break (which he does). When that space is contested (as it is with Toney resting) Peter pushes him back with ease. To his credit, Toney isn't trying to fight him in there.

    This is a good plan. For me, it's a winning plan. It's also the reason your tortured analogy is off absolutley no use, and why it doesn't automatically make him to strong for Monzon :lol:



    :lol:

    ...not great.

    :lol: forget it.

    :lol:

    Of course he will, that's exactly my point. Why are you babbling on about his reproducing the performance of the completely different fighters?!

    I'm well aware this is the closest you get to a concession. Word up!

    Walker is the bigger man.

    I tend to agree. Still, i'm happy that Britton at that age was considerably better than everyone Money has beaten.

    I'm beginning to think he was, but there's definitely a very good case for the opposite.

    None of that changes the fact that he has stylistic advantages, is more proven, is off a class that Mayweather has never mixed with, has mixed in Mayweather's class himself (ATG), is bigger.

    It would be a massacre.
     
  15. janitor

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    Incidentaly Walker almost beat Schmeling.

    Schmeling was afraid that he might kill Walker, and he told the reff that he would quit if the fight wasn't stopped.

    The reff caved in.