Floyd Mayweather Jr. Vs. Sugar Ray Robinson

Bang on. Mayweather wouldn't have had over 60 rematches, fighting some opponents 6 times...

....ah sorry man, I had to...

Think they are pretty equal in the despicable human being scores?

 

Pro boxers have calorie requirements >3k per day. It doesn’t matter if Floyd used to trigger you, as intended, by eating burgers with the camera rolling.

You then proceeded to talk about training injuries for boxers pushing forty like it’s meaningful.

Imagine scouring the record books for some track and field number that hasn’t been broken recently while ignoring all of the other ones that have been.

Floyd was obviously better defensively and as a counter puncher than Robinson. It isn’t even close in those two categories.

 

And with this you're trying to say, what exactly ? I don't get it. Are you dissing me for saying Floyd liked to eat McDonalds or something ? It's his addiction, not mine.

Right, coz Beterbiev was 40 in 2015 when he got a shoulder injury that had him out for more than half a year.

What about Usyk tearing up his bicep in 2019 ?

Something tells me it's a fault of the system and not of the fighter's.

None of the jumping records in track and field have been broken by activate athletes besides pole vault, which literally has a massive stick propelling you anyway. It's the least naturally "jumpy" out of all of them. Sometimes records are broken and sometimes they're not. It is what it is. Boxing is the same.

Declaring inherit superiority with a vague assumption that modern = better is like believing in Santa Claus.

Yeah, I know. Just like I know Robinson beats him.

 

With the figure four leglock.

 

McDonald’s isn’t evil. It’s okay to get protein from a burger if you’re training all day and not living on fast food.

Beterbiev and Usyk rehabbed from whatever injuries you’re pinpointing out of thousands of boxers whereas guys past generations often didn’t have the tech advances to do the same.

Q: List ten track and field records that have been broken in the last decade.
A: The last decade has seen a massive surge in track and field world records, driven by advancements in shoe technology, track surfaces, and athletic talent. Ten notable world records broken in the track and field discipline include:

1. Men's Pole Vault — Armand "Mondo" Duplantis (Sweden)
   • Record: 6.31 meters
   • Previous Record: 6.16m (Renaud Lavillenie, 2014)
   • Duplantis has rewritten the pole vault record book repeatedly over the past decade, progressively elevating the mark from 6.17m to 6.31m.
2. Men's 400m Hurdles — Karsten Warholm (Norway)
   • Record: 45.94 seconds
   • Date: August 3, 2021
   • Warholm shattered Kevin Young's 1992 record (46.78s) at the Tokyo Olympics, becoming the first human to break the 46-second barrier in the event.
3. Men's 5000m — Joshua Cheptegei (Uganda)
   • Record: 12:35.36
   • Date: August 14, 2020
   • Cheptegei took down Kenenisa Bekele's 16-year-old world record (12:37.35) in Monaco.
4. Men's 10,000m — Joshua Cheptegei (Uganda)
   • Record: 26:11.00
   • Date: October 7, 2020
   • Just months after setting the 5000m mark, Cheptegei erased another of Bekele's legendary marks (26:17.53) in Valencia.
5. Men's 3000m — Jakob Ingebrigtsen (Norway)
   • Record: 7:17.55
   • Date: August 25, 2024
   • Ingebrigtsen obliterated Daniel Komen’s 1996 mark of 7:20.67 by over three seconds in Chorzów, Poland.
6. Men's 400m — Wayde van Niekerk (South Africa)
   • Record: 43.03 seconds
   • Date: August 14, 2016
   • Running from lane 8 at the Rio Olympics, van Niekerk broke Michael Johnson's iconic 1999 record of 43.18 seconds.
7. Men's 3000m Steeplechase — Lamecha Girma (Ethiopia)
   • Record: 7:52.11
   • Date: June 9, 2023
   • Girma broke Saif Saaeed Shaheen’s 2004 world record (7:53.63) at the Paris Diamond League.
8. Men's Decathlon — Kevin Mayer (France)
   • Record: 9,126 points
   • Date: September 16, 2018
   • Mayer broke Ashton Eaton's 2015 record (9,045 points) with an extraordinary two-day performance in Talence, France.
9. Men's 60m Hurdles (Indoor) — Grant Holloway (USA)
   • Record: 7.27 seconds
   • Date: February 16, 2024
   • Holloway broke Colin Jackson's 27-year-old record (7.30s) in 2021 before lowering it again to 7.27s at the US Indoor Championships.
10. Men's 60m (Indoor) — Christian Coleman (USA)
    • Record: 6.34 seconds
    • Date: February 18, 2018
    • Coleman broke Maurice Greene's 20-year-old world record (6.39s) in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Karsten Warholm Tokio 2021 World Record This video highlights Karsten Warholm's historic 400m hurdles performance at the Tokyo Olympics, where he shattered the world record by taking over three-tenths of a second off the previous mark.

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I'm convinced that Floyd wouldn't have done as well in the earlier era.

We know that he had hand issues and a shoulder issue during his career. In that era, if he wanted to be a draw he would've had to retain more of the PBF attitude and aggressive boxer-puncher style that saw him in the pocket more. With less glove padding, more lenient referees and a bunch of fighters more than happy to roughhouse, manhandle and explore how much they can bend the rules, I don't think his hands hold up and I'm sure he likely loses a few hometown close decisions or two unless he develops genuine KO power at WW.

 

Never said McDonalds is evil ? I mean, it is. it's a huge capitalistic mega corp. But that's not the point. The point is that "modern nutrition" is just about the most irrelevant thing to bring up as indication that fighters today are better. Unless it's a code for PEDs.

Which is still irrelevant anyway, coz no matter how many steroids someone like Zhilei Zhang shoves up his ass, he's not beating Joe Louis. If Haney is using, it still doesn't matter if he has to face Kid Gavilan. If the gap in ability is evident, arguing PEDs make the difference is pointless, because they're still not enough.

Also notice how none of track and field records you asked chatgpt to give you are jumping, they're all either short distance running or hurdles, which is a hybrid. Men's long jump, high jump, triple jump, all of them are 30+ years old. Like I said, sometimes records are broken and sometimes they're not.

 

While long jump world records have remained unbroken for decades, both high jump, pole vault, and triple jump have seen historic world records broken in recent years.

• Men's Pole Vault (Outdoor & Indoor) — Armand "Mondo" Duplantis (Sweden)
  • Record: 6.31m
  • Previous Record: 6.16m (Renaud Lavillenie, 2014)
  • Duplantis has broken the world record a staggering 10+ times, progressively taking the mark from 6.17m to 6.31m.
• Women's High Jump — Yaroslava Mahuchikh (Ukraine)
  • Record: 2.10m
  • Previous Record: 2.09m (Stefka Kostadinova, 1987)
  • Date: July 7, 2024
  • Mahuchikh broke one of track and field's longest-standing records (37 years) on her first attempt at the Paris Diamond League.
• Women's Triple Jump (Outdoor) — Yulimar Rojas (Venezuela)
  • Record: 15.67m
  • Previous Record: 15.50m (Inessa Kravets, 1995)
  • Date: August 1, 2021
  • Rojas shattered Kravets' 26-year-old mark on her final attempt to take gold at the Tokyo Olympics.
• Women's Triple Jump (Absolute/Indoor) — Yulimar Rojas (Venezuela)
  • Record: 15.74m
  • Previous Record: 15.67m (Yulimar Rojas, 2021)
  • Date: March 20, 2022
  • At the World Indoor Championships in Belgrade, Rojas extended her absolute world record by another 7 centimeters.
• Decathlon High Jump Best — Kevin Mayer (France)
  • Record: 2.05m / Part of the 9,126-point World Record
  • Date: September 15–16, 2018
  • While setting the overall Decathlon world record in Talence, Mayer set vital jump marks (clearing 2.05m in high jump and 5.45m in pole vault) to beat Ashton Eaton's previous world mark.
• Decathlon Pole Vault Best — Kevin Mayer (France)
  • Record: 5.45m / Part of the 9,126-point World Record
  • Date: September 16, 2018
  • Mayer's 5.45m pole vault clearance yielded massive points toward his current overall combined-events world record.
• Women's Indoor High Jump — Yaroslava Mahuchikh (Ukraine)
  • Record: 2.06m
  • Date: February 2, 2021
  • Cleared in Banská Bystrica, Slovakia, setting the highest indoor leap in the discipline in over a decade and the U20 indoor world record.
• Women's Indoor Pole Vault — Jennifer Suhr (USA)
  • Record: 5.03m
  • Date: January 30, 2016
  • Suhr broke her own indoor world record, making her one of only two women ever to clear 5 meters indoors.
• Heptathlon High Jump Best — Nafissatou Thiam (Belgium)
  • Record: 2.02m
  • Date: June 22, 2019
  • Set during the Decastar meet in Talence, Thiam established the highest jump ever recorded within a women's combined-events competition.
• Heptathlon Long Jump Best — Nafissatou Thiam (Belgium)
  • Record: 6.86m
  • Date: August 18, 2019
  • Set in Birmingham, contributing to the highest combined-event individual jump series in modern women's athletics history.

 

Well I wrote men's jumping events. All these are women's aside from Mondo in pole vaulting. Probably because women haven't had the opportunity to excel in sports for most of modern history. Makes sense.

So I stand corrected. Records are sometimes broken and sometimes they're not. Up to the individual.

 

Advancements in footwear and track surface etc, will absolutely have a huge effect on a race running from A to B, with recorded times in milliseconds.

The other records don’t get broken as often, because they aren’t races with such significant advancements.

Wouldn’t you love to see the times set by Owens on Bolt’s Beijing surface with his footwear?

Likewise, Bolt’s on Owens track, with his shoes, what was probably akin to running barefoot?

 

You just made that up. In consideration of the other posters here, you can ask whatever LLM you want while excluding women and be disappointed at the result. I just asked the LLM and it easily completed the task.

 

Outliers don’t prove the rule.

 

Nothing to do with outliers.

 

Owens is literally one of the greatest outliers of all time. The entire bell curve is shifted to the right today for various reasons including population and access, which aren’t being acknowledged in this thread, and training methods, which for some reason is irritating posters in this thread.