Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. the ATGs

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by radianttwilight, Dec 13, 2007.


  1. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    but if he can move up in weight and be successfull, it means hes most likely the better fighter.

    Duran is considered the best lightweight ever, however is rep is built on his wins over leonard, palomino and barkely.
     
  2. radianttwilight

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    No, it doesn't. I can argue that James Toney is the best 160lber of all time because he went and beat up a 260lb man in Sam Peter, then got robbed. It's simply not true.

    And for the record - any legacy of Duran as the best lightweight ever is not built on Leonard I, Palomino, and Barkley.
     
  3. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    compare durans lightweight record against that of benny leonard or a joe gans. Thier title run was far more impressive.

    James Toney isnt the best 160 of all times. But there is no doubt in my mind that he would give monzon, hagler and hopkins tough ass fights and prolly end up beating one of them. I mean hopkins avoided toney by pricing himself out and then fought morad hakkar for 30,000 bucks.
     
  4. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The clear #1 all-time in any one division is never clear-cut, Duran just happens to be a contender for the crown. He doesn't have the best credentials hands-down, but all of the great LW's are close enough to argue it any of several ways.

    You agree with my second point? I'm pretty sure PBF would beat Arguello at 130, too, but that's not based on his fights at 140+. His fights at 140+ havn't even been that impressive IMO. His work at 130-135 was great, though.

    PS - you forgot Jones-Toney at 160 :D
     
  5. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that was 168, jones whooped b-hop too.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Dude, you are kidding, right?
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    1. Every fighter who fights the best has occasional tough close fights. Mayweather-Delahoya I had 9-3 - Delahoya missed most of his punches. Mayweather-Castillo 1 I had either 7-5 M or a draw. Either way Mayweather rematched Castillo and was willing to rematch Delahoya and thats what a champ does, right?

    2. I have SRR above PBF too but SRR lost plenty past his prime too and any mortal loses past prime

    3. Hatton started 2 divisions above Mayweather and outweighed Mayweather by 5lbs on fight night? If Hattons smaller and underskilled then so is LaMotta :smoke
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Bang on the money, Castillo/Corrales/Hernandez are as good as Buchanon and DeJesus
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather obviously went up in weight looking for money. Its not easy moving up in weight and thats why most fighters stay in the smallest division they can get away with. Arguello would be murdered by Hatton/Judah/Baldomir for instance
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Get the fukk out of here


    :lol:
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    He would, Hatton and Baldomir would walk through him, they're just too much bigger. Remember they weigh 155-160 on fight night, very strong and work at a fast pace.

    If Hatton beats Tyszu he certainly beats Arguello

    Judah has P4P power is much bigger and has slicker skills
     
  12. Mantequilla

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    Hatton would get brutally starched by Arguello, it would be a career ender most likely.The arguello that fought Pryor was still a machine and Aaron is vastly superior to Hatton.

    Also no way are Buch and Dejesus only as good as an unskilled labourer like Corrales or workman Castillo(jose luis ramirez is more his level).They were master stylists.

    Hernandez was at the end of his career and clearly ready to lose to the next decent fighter he went up against when Floyd got him and he was never that notable even on his best night.Just a solid splinter titleist with good fundamentals.
     
  13. brownpimp88

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    Argeullo lost to vilomar and got a gift against ramirez, yet people think he can go up to 147 and beat those guys, haha good one.
     
  14. Mantequilla

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    He'd beat Hatton at 140.

    RIcky ain't any better than most of the revolving door of 140 champions of that era.Billy Costello etc.
     
  15. brownpimp88

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    im talking about fighting floyd comp at the weight he fought them. Judan and hatton would beat him at 147. I would judah an awesome chance, i mean look at how arguello does against the boxers, nuff said. This one is also twice his size.