Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. the ATGs

Which 3?

Who exactly is every fighter worth a damn that they lost to?

Viruet and Lampkin and the likes could have been fringe top ten p4p guys in todays era, just like Corrales and Castillo were.

Pardon me, I wasn't aware I was talking to an amatuer boxer who trains in MMA. I take it back, you've seen a lot of (amatuer and MMA) fights :good

Oh and as for not putting Whitaker fights up where he looked bad, the most extensive Whitaker clip I had up was of the Trinidad fight, and it was removed becuase of copyright. Keep digging.

 

I'd choose Castillo to beat Buchanan, old Laguna, and Arguello (this one is an easy one for me, Castillo by early KO) and 50-50 with DeJesus. Corrales is 50-50 with Buchanan, beats Laguna and Arguello, and wipes out the lower echelon.
In 1970-1971 both could become champs and arguably Top 10 best fighters in the world regardless of weight.

 

viruet, lampkin and navarro. Please name who they even beat, chu chu malawe? All 3 of them put together have beat 5 contenders in total.

Just like senya said, roberto duran's lightweight era is far from being the deepest. Whitaker's era had far better lightweights. Haugen, manicini, bramble, pendleton, ramirez, rosario, camacho, etc. The 85-91 era of lightweights was Far better than the 70s era. Its not even close.

 

Joe luis ramirez and vilomar fernandez can beat arguello, but castillo and corralles cant?

 

Well, what can i say, I disagree with everything here.

 

Lets see a comparison between durans lightweight era and castillo's.

2004




Jose Luis Castillo, Champion

1. Diego Corrales
2. Joel Casamayor
3. Juan Lazcano
4. Julio Diaz
5. Juan Diaz
6. Acelino Freitas
7. Javier Jauregui
8. Artur Grigorian
9. Julien Lorcy
10. Lakva Sim

1974

Roberto Duran, Champion

1. Ray Lampkin
2. Angel Mayoral
3. Ken Buchanan
4. Hugo Armando Gutierrez
5. Rudy Barro
6. Ishimatsu Suzuki
7. Arturo Pineda
8. Ray Lunny
9. Hugo Barraza
10. Miguel Mayan

LOL at lampkin for being the #1 ranked contender. Hes 1-6 against ranked fighters his whole career, how patheitc.

 

Look at some of their losing efforts though. You have the likes of Lampkin and Viruet pushing the likes of DeJesus and Duran in close fights. You have the likes of Navarro pushing and arguably beating the likes of Ramos and Gonzalez. I don't think the likes of Corrales or Castillo would do any better in a similar situation.

Roberto's era was deeper. You have Laguna, Buchanan, DeJesus, Gonzalez, Viruet, Lampkin, Fernandez, Hernandez, Navarro, Thompson, Ishimatsu, Kobayashi. If there were as many splinter belts as there were in Whitaker's days, all these guys would have probably been crowned at some stage.

 

Ramirez had a better chin than Castillo and Corrales. Both have been ko'ed by lesser punchers than Arguello, but you can't say they reverse. As for Fernandez, he fights in a totally different style to either Corrales or Castillo.

 

laguna was only there in the beginning, i just made a comparison with the ring ratings from 1974 and 2004. Durans era doesnt look so deep.

It is widely agreed that carlos ortiz, benny leonard, joe gans and ike williams all fought in better lightweight eras.

 

I really am not so sure that Arguello at 135 was a harder hitter than Casamayor. A better puncher yes, but a harder puncher? Don't think so.
I'd see Floyd being undefeated and more dominant than Duran himself in the 1970's, if they swapped places, and I'd choose Casamayor to win at least one fight in a series of 3 with Duran.

 

Who let these children out of the general forum nursery?
Its like trying to explain all the rules of american football to a three year old.....Waste of breath....

 

Yeah and you purposefully picked the year where the rankings looked at their weakest.

How about 1972:

Roberto Duran: Champion

1. Esteban DeJesus
2. Rodolfo Gonzalez
3. Ken Buchanan
4. Chango Carmona
5. Ray Lampkin
6. Antonio Puddu
7. Pedro Carrasco
8. Jimmy Heair
9. Ruben Navarro
10. Mando Ramos

Sure, but not Whitaker. And not Castillo either.

 

What is the evidence that Casamayor hit as hard as Arguello at 135?

Arguello knocked out Cornelius Boza Edwards, Ray Mancini, Roberto Elizondo and Andy Gannigan as a lightweight.

Who did Casamayor hurt, let alone knockout at 135?

Is this to be explained away by the fact that Arguello was merely a 'better puncher' and not a harder puncher?

Can't you say the same thing for every weight division Arguello has been in? He wasn't a hard puncher, just a better puncher than those around him?

 

Senya is just being intellectually dishonest as usual.He probably doesn't believe it himself.

 

Floyd UD Meldrick Taylor
Sugar Ray Leonard UD Floyd
Floyd UD Oscar De La Hoya(though to be honest, depends on the weight)
Floyd UD Shane Mosley(at WW, I give Shane a better chance)
Floyd vs Felix Trinidad(undecided)
Floyd UD Vernon Forrest(controversial, as many believe Forrest is a bad matchup)
Julio Cesar Chavez(not yet decided on this one)
Pernell Whitaker UD Floyd
Floyd UD Alexis Arguello
Floyd UD Hector Camacho
Floyd SD Azumah Nelson
Floyd UD Joel Casamayor
Floyd UD Benny Leonard
Floyd UD Barney Ross
Henry Armstrong UD Floyd
Roberto Duran UD Floyd
Floyd UD Kostya Tszyu
Floyd UD Fritzie Zivic
Sugar Ray Robinson UD Floyd
Kid Gavilan UD Floyd
Charley Burley(not sure)
Floyd UD Carmen Basilio
Emile Griffith UD Floyd
Thomas Hearns UD or even possibly TKO Floyd
Floyd UD Donald Curry
Floyd UD Ike Quartey
Floyd TKO Juan Diaz


Other left out matchups include: Aaron Pryor, Wilfred Benitez, Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz, Duilio Loi, etc.