Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Thomas Hearns

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  1. Loudon

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    How can a gift draw for the younger fighter, against an older, faded fighter, be tougher than a win for the smaller, older fighter, against the much bigger and younger, prime fighter?

    How on earth does that make sense in your head?
     
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  2. Loudon

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    Move those goal posts again.

    Just like your hero used to do.
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    It wasn't a championship fight that Duran lost. De Jesus won as a virtual nobody.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    It didn't happen that way.
     
  5. THE BLADE 2

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    It was a gift.
     
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  6. young griffo

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    He avenged the loss in championship fights though.
     
  7. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was 32-1 and had fought in New York a couple of times prior to Duran so people knew who he was.The problem is your lack of knowledge on this particular time period. There were so many world class boxers around that time period it was crazy.
    Boxing has been getting watered down for a long time now. They should have kept the 15 round limit and the weigh ins are a complete joke now.
     
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  8. Loudon

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    I think that there’s only you and Shadow that think that it wasn’t a gift.
     
  9. Greg Price99

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    With "debatable" decisions I think analysing a high quantity of scores is the best antidote to finding the likely correct score, as it overrides the likely bias (on both sides) of a small proportion of individuals.

    The 116 x for GGG vs 21 x draw vs 9 x for Canelo captured here, provides a pretty conclusive indicator -
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  10. NoNeck

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    In other words, a draw was one of the most common scorecards among people who weren't the official judges and probably liked GGG more than Canelo.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    He didn't make the Ring annual until after beating Duran. I find that interesting.
     
  12. Greg Price99

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    Yet far from the most common result
     
  13. NoNeck

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    I knew you wouldn't see the error of your ways.

    26 cards were scored 116-112. Toss out the cards of Rafael and Bunce (idocy), Alexander (drug addict), Macklin (lost to GGG), and Courmier (MMA), and you're left with 21. Same as the draw. No other cards were as common as these two.

    A fair score, if these numbers mean anything, would be 114-114, 114-114, 116-112.

    It would be better to look at the consensus round by round, but that reveal how crappy media scorecards actually are.
     
  14. Greg Price99

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    You seem triggered.

    79.5% of scorecards captured in that thread scored the fight to GGG, whilst 6% scored it Canelo. No matter how hard you try to apply biased interpretations, that's an overwhelming indicator of who got the better of the fight, and there's not a thing you can do about.

    Facts, not feelings.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Boxing isn’t scored by averaging a bunch of scorecards together, particularly in a charge led by Teddy Atlas.

    We’ve established that a draw was the most common card and can move to the next topic.