Floyd Mayweather Jr....

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I have always been a Mayweather fan. I really liked him in his younger days, back when he fought Chico and Castillo.

    What has really bothered me about him lately... is that I feel like he squandered what could have been a great career. Sure... he made a ton of money, and has had a great career in that respect, and has accomplished a lot in the ring as well. However, he is a truly great fighter who had the chance to give us those special fights, against those special opponents... and he failed to give us that. I am not blaming every fight not happening on Floyd, because before Floyd could draw money like he does... people avoided him like the plague. It just bothers me that since he beat Oscar, and became a cash cow... he hasn't bothered to give us the fights we really want to see. I will give him the Hatton fight, because many fans did want to see that one.

    It upsets me to see his personal life fall apart like it has. He has an EXTREMELY likable personality when he wants to. I think that the criticism and the quick fame really had a serious effect on him. I honestly feel bad for him sometimes. I look at the way he acts, and I see an insecure man who acts like he's still a kid. Probably didn't have a great childhood and is finding it hard to grow up. I'm not bashing the guy, it's just something that I have noticed for a while and I hate to see it happening.

    I think that he has a lot of people around him, who don't have his best interests in mind. You can tell by seeing his personal video's that he is the kind of guy who likes make the people around him happy, and is probably a push over for his "friends".

    I know he has been accused of some bad **** as far as beating up women, ect... but all of that aside. I just want to guy to yank himself back up, get his life in order... and get back to doing what he does best.... boxing. He still has a chance to really cement his legacy by fighting Pac. The kind of superfight that doesn't come along very often... and will easily be one of the biggest fights in history, money wise.
     
  2. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like a lot of great fighter Floyd belongs in the ring and when he isnt it goes crazy , I have seen it so many times.

    Never feel sorry for Floyd, he has more opportunities than most.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Respect.

    I just separate everything outside the ring with everything inside the ring, as I find it the only way to be fair, and I find Mayweather to have been the best since 1998 with Genaro. He will be remembered well in time. Most accurate recorded puncher ever, one of the very best defensive fighters ever, best undefeated fighter ever... He's not done yet.
     
  4. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    About as fair as you saying Pac is on PEDs without any documentable proof? :think
     
  5. rocky538

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    He's actually done really well from a business standpoint compared to most boxers, most boxers get robbed blind and sign slave contracts riddled with hidden crap.
     
  6. KO Boxing

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    You must also give him the Mosely fight, cause literally EVERYONE wanted to see that fight (hindsight excluded).

    So since Dela Hoya, he's had 3 fights. 2 of which people wanted (and were both top 5 p4pers at the time).

    The other was JMM, although a top 2 p4per, was still a lightweight moving up to welterweight. In floyd's defence, this has been done many many times in history and he was also coming off a 21 month lay off. Proving something to Pac may also have had something to do with it.

    Puts a different spin on the thread, although I did stop reading after the bolded part I quoted.
     
  7. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Maybe you should have kept reading. I wasn't looking for a debate on who he fought. You pointed out a huge part of the problem... he's only fought 3 times since he fought Oscar almost 4 years ago.

    For me at least, I wasn't all that interested in any of them. We knew that Hatton couldn't perform at 147. I know that I clearly stated on here that I wasn't excited for Mayweather/Mosley. Not because Mosley isn't a good opponent... but because I knew that the way Shane fights at this stage of his career, that it wasn't going to be a competitive fight. I wasn't fooled by watching Mosley Tee off on Margo with shots that he would never land on Floyd in a million years. Pac vs Mosley always made more sense because of their styles. Pac's style allows Mosley a chance to set his feet and bang, sort of hiding his age a bit. I certainly had no interest in Floyd vs JMM... that fight was just pointless. The most interesting thing to come out of that fight was JMM drinking his own urine.

    Rather than those 3 fights... I would MUCH rather have seen Floyd vs Cotto, Margo, and Pac. Sadly, we could have easily seen Floyd vs Hatton, Margo, Cotto, JMM, Mosley, and Pac in that time span. That's my point.

    When there was a huge public outcry for Floyd vs Margo... it never happened. Same with Cotto, same with Pac. I feel cheated as a fan. I also feel like his legacy is really going to suffer. However, I don't think it's too late for him to salvage a lot of it. Fighting Pac would obviously be a huge step in the right direction. Us fans NEED this fight.
     
  8. KO Boxing

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    I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you for the most part.

    When reading your thread, the first few paragraphs indicate that since dela hoya, Floyd hasn't fought fighters people wanted him to see.

    I disagree with this.

    That said, I'd be a fool if I also didn't want the Cotto fight before he retired the first time. Fighting Cotto after Hatton (with Cotto coming off his career best win of Mosely) would have been a perfect... And I'd be a fool if I didn't/don't want to see the Pac fight.

    Can't blame Floyd for taking time off though. People can claim he was scared yada yada yada yada. Means nothing. The guy had been boxing since a kid, had numerous fights, make a ton of money and didn't really need to prove anything more to anyone.

    Although I personally feel it was to help his body heal, but that's another discussion.

    BTW - wasn't having a go at your post. It was just the impression I got from reading the first few paragraphs about May's most recent opponents since Dela Hoya.

    Hatton and SSM were CRAVED fights (barring you obviously, and I'm sure a few others. But I'm talkin' the masses).

    JMM was also a top 2 p4per who had arguably beat the top 1 p4per, and although a lightweight coming up to welterweight, it wasn't the first time in history. Not a meaningful fight, but decent money spinning sparring session to get back into the game. Against the second best pound for pound fighter in the world, no less. Coming off a 2 year retirement.

    The Margo fight never interested me. The Judah fight was destined to happen, and after he lost to Balomir, that kinda forced Floyd to face him. The Dela Hoya fight was inevitable. So it was a choice between Hatton, Cotto (pre ssm mosely win) or Williams (as Marg just lost)
     
  9. KO Boxing

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    Again, not starting an argument with you or anything, just personal observations/opinions/debate.

    i think the bolded part is an extremely overrated notion. There wasn't really "public outcry". The general public had no idea who Marg was. It was only the hardcore boxing fans and Mexicans, and they were still split pretty heavily in favour of Mayweather making easy work of him.

    There was certainly a call for the fight from many people though, no doubt.

    If only Judah beat Baldomir, Judah-Mayweather was for the undisputed title, then I'm 99.9% sure May's "Baldomir" fight would've been Marg to add the WBO belt.
     
  10. bknystl

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    Not saying the thread writer is one, but many Floyd haters are really fans of his who are bitter because he doesn't do or fight how, when, where, why and who they want him to. And thats the truth... Most of them can't keep his name out of their mouths or off their minds.
     
  11. Enough with the floyd threads already there are 60 threads a day about aguy who is very inactive and doesnt give a **** about the sport. Why not talk about guys like martinez,donaire or the 140 guys.
     
  12. dvb

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    brilliant post.

    i too think floyd is p4p up theres somewhere.but since his welterweight career,hes been a bit of a let down,taking several long lay offs or "retirements".

    i worry that he just wants money and doesnt care about boxing,he only comes back when he needs more millions.

    the peoples hes not fought is quite a list.
    and its not like he loses these,we just dont want to get matches fed to us that we know he cant lose,just show us an opponent who does genuinly posses ability to beat you and you go out and do more than just glide by on an easy decision,dig in and show us more skill,even for him to get down and get right back up to win in style would please me.

    and its clear he wasnt raised right,his dads a drugs smuggler and his uncle a angry angry agressive man,hes not had good examples of how to behave.

    and all this money persona is silly,shallow and disrespectful to all his fans who are poor and pay to see him fight once every few years only for him to flash the cash and mock them,in this current times aswell.

    its clear money is not buying him happiness and stopping people hating on him.

    He needs to get rid of these leeches,youde think leaches would at least stop these secuirty and stop floyd getting himself into trouble,they cant even do that!.thats how you know they are no good,they dont have his back what so ever.

    its like tyson said though,he was happy to have dirty people feeding of him,sucking his blood away.maybe floyd knows and likes this.

    its clear hes more decent than he acts when on camera and infront of his friends ect.

    he needs some one like Tyson to give him a serious talk on how it really is and to stop now before he does actually go to jail in few months or escapes jail this time but carries on and does something really awful,ala valero.

    he can redeem himself and be p4p no 1 ,all he has to do is beat pacman.

    not fight a load of top welters, like pacman had,but just fight pac.and retire.
     
  13. PH|LLA

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    like many have said here I seperate the man outside the ring from the fighter inside the ring. I think he's a good fighter but not as good as most people think he is, and that if he had stepped up to the plate as often as some other fighters did, we would've seen that.

    From a career management standpoint, I don't think that a guy with the ability that Floyd has could have done any better. He's made tens of millions and is ranked as an ATG and one of the three or four best fighters of his generation.
     
  14. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I somehow find the ability to talk about all of them. I agree... we probably didn't need another Floyd Mayweather Jr or Pac thread... but I wanted to let people know where I'm coming from. I am actually big fans of both Mayweather, Pac, and boxing in general. It would be horrible if this fight doesn't take place. I was going to put it into another thread, but to my surprise their was only 1 Mayweather thread on the front page, and it as just full of the normal nonsense.
     
  15. gatorbama

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    THats because FLoyd MAyweather is the face of ESB and all ****ing threads lead to Mayweather....And its mostly by people who claim they dont like him...They say the sport is bigger then floyd but since may of last year, floyd hasnt done **** dealing with boxing and thats all people talk about...I get sick of that ****...