Floyd Mayweather Legacy Discussion

By subjecting both himself and opponents to strict unrestricted testing Mayweather is a pioneer.

 

Who is the highest rated fighter on the ATG list that he has beaten? Oscar and Shane? He needs a signature win.

 

>> i see your point. but mayweather in effect DUCKED manny. floyd is strong and steroids or not he would have matched up.he ducked him for no good reason and costs us all a fight of the century too. manny will go down as a greater fighter than floyd too. aint that a *****. didn't have to be that way. these guys could have had a trilogy by now. *******s.

 

I think when he beat Corrales to unify the title at 130 pounds it was viewed as a 50-50 pick em fight ditto Castillo who was the best Lightweight and champion when Floyd beat him twice. Corrales subsequent wins ore Casamayor proves Floyd's dominance.
It's a shame he was not able to fight Tyzu at 140 pounds but Hatton got there 1st and he took care of the unbeaten Hatton. He beat De La Hoya and Cotto at 155 pounds weights that suited them not him. He also took care of Mosley who had annihilated Margarito. How anyone can think he avoided Margarito defies logic when the truth is he would most likely put Margarito in hospital such is the disparity in skills level.

 

Right. Well I ain't go throw labels of ducking about and were I to add 4 names to floyd's resume it would be those of freitas, tszyu, margarito and pacman.

 

Great post !!

 

I hear you on that... Sometimes this stuff gets researched to death ! And I don`t think it nails down the answer either. Watching a fighter,consistently against other top tier fighters, thats a good measuring stick...

 

He may have been referring to Marquez 2 (which he really lost) or maybe he meant the MAB rematch, where Pacquaio was neutralised although MAB didn't do allot either

That's actually rating him pretty high if you think about it though. Rating him the best ever in his optimal weight class and top 3 or 5 at LW, and plenty of WWs.

Apply the same for Ray Leonard/Ross/Armstrong and they don't do any better on that scale.

I'd say it's akin to Monzon-Napoles, Robinson-Armstrong, Hagler-Duran, Hearns-Duran. Although Mayweather doesn't have quite the same size advantages as some of those, he's hardly a huge career WW is he?

Armstrong's 20 WW defenses had plenty of average fighers didn't it and he ended up getting trumped by Zivic near his prime and Zivic is hardly amazing is he? Would Mayweather lose to Zivic? Armstrong was probably never the best WW in the world either, he was the best 126-135 but he did go life and death with Ambers.

Armstrong and Robinson both have decent but not necessarily amazing resumes, some of their opponents don't look that great on film.

And yes Mayweather does have dominance (whether you have him 2-0 or 11 against JLC) and longevity (15 years since he won his first world title). No one else has ever gone 15 years undefeated as a champion.

I rate Robinson over Floyd, Armstrong below, and I don't find it close with Armstrong either.

He hasn't fought his top contender from 2010-12, but he fought the current a prior lineal champ, before fighting the 154lb champion, followed by fighting the 140lb lineal champion. On his return he fought the lightweight lineal champion followed by the number 1 (or lineal) WW Champion.

Corrales beat Castillo though (going 1-1), that was definitely his signature win. He was in his 30s at his worst weight class (154) for DLH and Cotto

 

I think plenty of fighters fight clean. If Lil Floyd wants to pioneer strict drug testing, perhaps he could put some of them Millions he has taken out of the sport, back into it, so such a scheme can be suitable funded...

 

Floyd will go down as one of the all time great talents. Its hard to say how good his legacy could have been on speculation, but for the most part he has dominated everyone. You cant rank him against the all time greats because he really never faced one. He should have knocked out Pac before Marquez did, because that would have enhanced his legacy a lot and I believe he would have easily beaten him.

 

the oscar and hatton fights were perfect. anyone else was building a rep in the ww division then, fighting for vacant straps. but when a true contender emerged in margo (williams lost to quintana kinda taking him from the picture) floyd was in retirement and whilst he did beat the number 1 in mosley he again failed to face his true contender (pacquiao).

I guess the winner of marquez-bradley will again be labelled his outstanding contender and we'll see how he fairs in making that fight.

I might be failing to word my point correctly. in floyd's signature win, he beat diego corrales (fine) but that doesn't compete with guys who beat the likes of barney ross, duran, leonard, liston etc. and when floyd did fight a guy arguably of that calibre (hoya) he didn't dominate as he did corrales. Yes Floyd was older and out of his best weight by then, but it's not like he didn't have opportunities to fight greats when he was in a better division (tzyu, pacquiao). So whilst he has a great performance, he doesn't have one against a great fighter which is why I can't put him top 10. A lot of fighters have great performances against guys of the level of corrales, but only a handful against guys of the level of say barney ross.

*note I rank on the eye test mainly now.

 

I think Castillio's proformance against Mayweather is overrated. and Mayweather's proformance against him overlooked. Castillio did rugh him up. However, he did not really land any clean blows. Mayweather on the other hand did land clean shots and despite being put in an uncofortable poistion reacated as well as anyone could be expected too. De La Hoya was still real good and the bigger man. De La Hoya had him beat, but in the end Mayweather was able to come through. Cotto had is molmets in pretty much every round. I'll give him that. Other than If I recall the 8th it might have been the 9th which like the 7th against Guerrero, Mayweather took off. There isn't a round that can be given to Cotto. I also think Shane Mosley, Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez were better than Cotto. If Ortiz had a brain he'd be better too.

 

Sorry I responded to the wrong post.

 

When did I say Pacquiao barely beat Barrera? I've said Barrera is the best and second best guy he's clearly beaten, but never he barely beat him. Is there some six year old thread your going to dig up? Are you obssed with me? Tell you the truth. I can't be bothered to recall what you said a week ago.

 

I find Floyd great in a H2H comparison.....that´s all I´m gonna say....