Ah, very important. I forgot about that. Floyd had his chance. He didn't once go up to different weight classes to fight very good fighters in very good conditions.
Idiots can make these silly threads as much as they like and try to rewrite history but the facts are the facst and even Mayweather's enemies ackowledge his greatness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6BIl3lFEr4
Nobody is denying Floyd's greatness...he will go down in the top 3 defensive fighters of all time.... BUT he didn't make the most of his potential because he was a mental midget.
Floyd mayweather is simply hands down the smartest fighter of all time he choose the perfect time for every fight giving him self the best advantage at all times The man is a boxing genius This is the art of war, The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy Move not unless you see an advantage What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease The wise warrior avoids the battle He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious. Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
Hatton making a surge again? He was in his prime when Floyd fought him and undefeated. He took THAT loss the hardest. It was at 147, yes. But, he had no complaints about coming up to challenge Floyd. Floyd wasn't even a true WW himself..and had just moved up to fight ODLH at 154. Why would Floyd have moved down to 140...he was the 147 (and 154) champion? Same argument that gets made for GGG, about moving down in weight. Can't have it both ways. Margarito was a good win. But, Margarito was already KO'd by SSM...who people want to say was a shell of himself when Floyd fought him. Again...can't have it both ways. And we know Margarito is not going to the HOF nor will he be an ATG. And he was not nearly an "elite." His best win (Cotto) was tainted due to the brick scandal. Pure hyperbole here. Cotto was Pac's best win. But, there is controversy around the weight. And Cotto made no excuses before the fight. Bur, he has said on numerous occasions after, he would not come down in weight again like that for a fight. There is an article out there where Freddie said he wanted Cotto to focus on losing weight during his training camp (hence the C/W). Cotto was actually forced to agree to the C/W or concede his title. This information is out there. People tend to overlook these details. Pac had fallen off prime further than Marquez? Bullsh!t. Pac was the favorite to win. The experts know better. He just got outboxed and gifted a win...period. Then he got KOd. End of story. And we want to give Pac so much credit for moving up in weight. Yet, Marquez moved up 2 divisions to beat (2x) arguably the #1 P4P, at that time. Again Pac is a great fighter. Mayweather is a greater fighter. We know this because they fought, for one, and it wasn't close. Obvious gap in skills there. Now, if you want to say Pac wasn't prime when he and Floyd fought. That is true. Neither was Floyd, of course. But, we got to see both styles on display, h2h. Floyd made it look easy. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Winky was too big. Shane hit him on the chin with his best sh!t and he laughed like he was being tickled. Martinez was too big. It's basically the same scenario as fighting GGG. He brutally KOd PW. Floyd like any human being has his limits. He was wise not to take either fight. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Maybe you would have a point if Floyd had loss to any of them but as always Floyd gets the W therefore saying Pac beat them "better" makes no difference
he actually did dare to be great, but only on occasion, not like the extensive back catalogue of say a Sugar Ray Leonard. hes a lesser ATG, but surely an ATG.
You ignored everything. I wasn't making arguments, by the way. I was TELLING you. Hatton said afterwards he felt a lot better at 147lbs, and that it was his prime weight, and Hatton put on some very good performances (looking impressive) in his wins after the Floyd fight. Anyway, what's the excuse for an very good fighter like Hatton in good condition, very motivated for this fight and saying he felt good at the weight, losing to a former Lineal Flyweight champion with an aggressive style? Floyd not being a 'true welterweight' is absolute BS. He has a full welterweight frame, and had a full welterweight frame by that stage of his career. He is actually quite strong at Welter. Moving up to fight ODLH doesn't nullify OLDH being past prime. OLDH remained completely past prime and had stamina problems. You're redressing the past in an agenda fuelled manner further. Mosley-Marg was Mosley's last hurrah. Marg was absolutely tailor made for Mosley in every way. What you are forgetting is that Mayweather fought Mosley 1.5 years later. 1.5 years in your ancient phases make a huge difference. 2003 Mosley = Razor close wars with ATG ODLH. 2007 Mosley = Razor close wars with Cotto who is elite but levels below OLDH. 2010 Mosley...ancient artefact from the Neolithic period. Saying Margarito isn't elite makes you alone in that opinion. Cotto was actually saying both before and after the fight that he felt good at the weight for Pac and that he has no excuses on his part. A BIG elite fighter was completely demolished by a former Lineal Flyweight champion. Pac looked far worse off than Marquez did. Marquez put on the weight very well for the KTFO6 fight, unlike the farcical way I mentioned in the OP. He moved up to 142lbs, Pac was 143lbs - very loosely calling it 2 weight divisions. Floyd was closer to prime than the semi-shot and awful conditioned Pac. Refer to the original post which clarifies the matter, puts you back in your seat and being the intellectual equivalent of a shoe shiner. Your agenda is leaving you in no mans land. A call to sobriety.
BREAKING! Floyd Mayweather CONFIRMS our sentiments: "At one particular time people were saying Floyd Mayweather is a coward, he was scared to fight Pacquiao. Once again, I told you I’m not just a fighter, I’m a businessman... I didn’t rush. I took my time. It’s about having patience. I took my time. I had patience and I made $300 million. I can’t say what he made". http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=18078350#post18078350
Are you still on this dude? Move on. You are "telling me" things that suit your agenda...not much of substance. Floyd is the better of the 2 period. He fought a bettet version of Hatton ( Hatton said Floyd was better btw), ODLH, Mosely, and let Cotto tell it...him too. He fought the version of Pacquioa that people were willing to pay him $300 million to fight. Don't rewrite things when Pacquioa gets schooled then blames an old recurring injury. You guys want it both ways. No...it wasn't the best version of Pacquioa. That version didn't want to take a random blood and urine for some reason. So, Floyd just waited until the demand rose high enough again. In the meantime, Pacquioa couldn't hold on to his win streak and Floyd just continued to WIN against top fighters and raise his profile. Marquez was not going to be robbed over and over. He put everything out there and stretched Pacquiao. He won the fight before that too...in most people's eyes. And all these guys STILL though Pac could beat Floyd. Lol. Floyd dared to be great, not as much for the sake of being great. But, because, the haters wanted to continue to believe he wasn't as good as he claimed he was and were (and still are) willing to pay top dollar in hopes he would get beat, by the next hyped fighter, and it never happened. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk