Floyd Mayweather - one of the best ever

You can't rate someone down for not fighting people, it's irrational. Just because a fight never took place doesn't mean Floyd would have lost it, how can you make that claim? It's like saying we should assume Robinson would be beaten by Burley because he never fought him. Boxing politics got in the way. Do people understand boxing politics?

You can be pissed off with someone for not taking a particular fight and rightly so, but to rate them down because of it is ******ed. The only thing you can objectively rate someone on is resume, and that means rating them upwards for the fights they won, and rating them downwarss for the fight they lost. Anything else is crazy. Mayweather's won all of his fights but he certainly doesn't have any kind of greatest of all time resume. I'm not makring him down for not fighting Margarito etc, I was dissapointed those fights never happened, I was angry, but it's not like they actually beat Floyd, so it's a non factor when rating him. I'm certainly not marking hm down for not fighting Sergio Martinez when he was a 130 pound man originally.

 

The guy has weighed 150 pounds or so for 5 years, why you talking about 130? Thats like 12 years ago, 12 years ago phone didnt have camera?

I mean that dosent mean anything.


Why cant Floyd take an exciting risk? Martinez is no monster..fight.

Anyhow the ship has sailed away. One of the best fighters of his era...of all time? Top 50 for the little guys i guess.

 

The point I was tryimg to make and didn't word it correctly is that he has basically IMO cherry picked his opponents as he has gone through the weights, taking as few risks as possible.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have won all these fights, but because of who and when he has fought we will never know how good he really is. With the resume he has I don't see how he can be compared to the greats and by greats I mean the elite top 10 fighters, as the thread says one of the best ever.

I'm not rating him down on who he hasn't fought just merely point out that because he hasn't taken on these challenges he doesn't campare.

 

I'm not saying he can't take an exciting risk, what I'm saying is that when he's retired, which is when it's proper to determine whether he was one of the best fighters of all time, you're going to be looking at the resume of a guy who started world level at 130. Nobody marks down Eder Jofre for not wanting to move up and take on Roberto Duran.

I'd love to see him fight Martinez, but he is no way obligated to do that, so let's not start acting crazy because he hasn't.

This isn't aimed at me I take it, because that would be silly seen as though I said right away he is categorically not one of the greatest fighters of all time.:good

 

:good

 

this is a reply to the above post, the quote ****ed up for some reason


Jofre did move up in weight.

Anyway, you don't get what I'm saying. I'm not excusing him for ducking anyone. Ducking is ****, I ****ing hate it. All I've been saying all along is that I can only rate fighters by what's on your resume, and there is no loss to Margarito at 147, or a loss to Martinez, there is no win over them either. I;m pissed off that those fights didn't happen as much as the next guy, but they didn't happen, it doesn;t matter whose fault it was, they can't be factored into a discussion of rating how great a fighter was. They can be factored into rating how much of a **** Floyd was for not giving us those fights as fans of the sport, but that's all.

It's the same as Ricky Hatton, I was so angry, and I still am abgry at how he ducked Witter and thought it was funny to taunt him over not giving him his big fight, I think Hatton was a total twat for this, but I don't rate him down as a fighter for it, it's not as though he has a loss to Witter on his resume, Witter is a non factor when rating Hatton. It's a shame but I've cried already and now I've moved on.

That's all Im saying, I don;t give a **** about Floyd and his no charisma having ass who stunk out the WWF with his fight against the big show, I;m just saying we should be objective and consistent with it. You seem like you have been, so it's all good.

 

anyway, the thread starter gets less props than a magician with no budget

 

Jofre did move up but not to the same extent.

But I agree mate, fair enough

(same problem with the quote).

 

Teeto are you from Liverpool and a Everton supporter?

 

I'm from Liverpool and support Liverpool, why you ask Barry?

 

It's not so much rating him down. It's more like I'm saying to the huggers "those fights did NOT happen so stop giving him credit for those fights". How many times have we heard people say "Floyd would've schooled Cotto, he would've schooled Margarito, he would've schooled Williams, he would school Pac etc". It's all "would've". They're giving him victories without him ever fighting these guys just because he is talented. He probably would win most of those fights too, but that's not really the point.

One of the best fighters of this generation, no doubt, but I'm just saying that if you're gonna call him an ATG, then he needed to have fought those fights to really prove it. Also, I don't buy that whole "well he used to be a 130lber" thing either. He's not any more and hasn't been for years, so you treat him like any other welterweight, and his competition at welterweight has not been anything special. You can't take away points from him for not fighting Martinez but you sure as hell could give him points for fighting him. Points that would help justify the ATG label that people give him.

 

I've never read any huggers posts so I don't know about that, I cba with clowns. If you haven't fought someone then you don't get any credit for us thinking that you would have beaten them. Whoever is saying that is an idiot and shouldn't be given any attention.

 

Of course I don't treat him like a 130 pounder, I never said that I did. I said that when he's retired, he should be rated as a man who came up from 130, just as Pac should be rated as a man who came from flyweight. I don't rate Floyd as a 130 man now and I dont rate Pac as a fly now, that would be ******ed. I said that when they're retired that will be what they should be viewed as, men who moved up from smaller divisions.

I said when they RETIRE.

 

dont think he near top 5 of all time by a long shot
one thing i think is clear is that hes better than pac