Floyd Mayweather Said Manny Pacquiao, NOT Canelo, Is The Best Fighter He's Ever Fought...

The likes like Foreman and Floyd did had slower aging styles unlike a lot of EE boxers and also DLH had style who does not ages well, therefore he retired when he was 36.
Ward retired when he was 33.

No he wasn't in prime.
Floyd Jr. was in prime when he was Pretty Boy not Money Floyd.
PBF also had punched harder because then he had healthy injuries free hands.

Similar example is Papp, Lazlo Papp had approx 55 KOs in amateur ranks, he was Olympic champion 3 times, while last time with not good hands.
Stoppages percentage dropped and when he was pro he wasn't fast finisher or KO artist despite his style was damn friendly for professional boxing.

 

Wrong! You're not close to your prime at 36 no where near it. You're past your prime at 32 some even earlier. He was clearly faded when he fought Canelo. The fight was supposed to be a passing of the torch fight young lion takes out the old one. Look at Loma-Lopez, Lopez who was even younger than Canelo and Loma was younger than PBF when they fought. Canelo was not green he was not drained he was a established unified champ with over 40 fights almost as many as PBF had. Canelo got hit like that because he was in with a master who despite his age still had faster reflexes and better accuracy than Canelo. Canelo naturally has gotten bigger and stronger but if they were the same size and could fight today this bigger and stronger Canelo would still get outboxed by PBF who's a horrible styles match up for him and anyone with a pair of eyes can see it. And if you're talking about a prime PBF he would move much more and give Canelo more problems than the he did when they fought in 2013. Because he could fight off his back foot for a full 12 rounds if need be which would be even worse for Canelo.

 

I doubt the Canelo-BJS live gate did even more live gate than the Oscar fight or the McGregor, mosley or cotto or Hatton live gates. The arena's in Vegas are small they don't do big stadium fights there. You don't have any idea how much he would draw in a stadium.

 

The funny thing is these P4P prime discussions now somehow seem to involve current Canelo and the 2013 Floyd. Take the Corrales or Gatti versions of Floyd at 130 or 140 when he was operating at his peak basically, and you'd have Canelo looking stuck in the mud. No way he tracks down the Floyd that had all of that movement to go along with the skills he showed in 2013. Canelo is absolutely great, but Floyd is in a top-tier head to head guy who could make adjustments incredibly well. People shouldn't forget it.

 

So he said that the shopworn version of Pacquiao was better than the young version of Canelo. I agree.

 

I'm very interested to see the numbers, perhaps we can compare the Gate of Canelo Saunders to some of Floyd's biggest Gates. I can't imagine the ticket prices on average were 5X times higher for Floyd's fights which they would have to be to compare.

 

Please look them up I'm curious as well. I'm sure they are easily found on the internet.

 

Clenelo didn't win even 3rds on Mayweather. Floyd fought many tougher fights than Clen.

 

I think this is the second time I heard of FMJ saying something like this about Pac. I actually don't think it is totally true, but I think it has more to do with a professional respect FMJ has for Pac. He may troll Pac a bunch but I really give FMJ the benefit of the doubt and believe he just respects what he's done in his career. It's almost like if your wife asks you "who is the hottest girl you ever boned?" Of course you have to say her.

 

It depends on the fighter Pimp. Some fighters are past it at 30. It depends on a fighter's work ethic, their habits and how hard they train and how they take care of their body. Floyd was not only a master inside the ring but he was a master outside of the ring and in the gym as well. That allowed him to stretch his prime out until he was in his mid-30s and once he realized his performance was slipping, only then did he realize he needed to retire.

I'm not trying to take anything away from how great of a fighter Floyd was. He got the W vs Canelo and I'll agree that he was a better fighter than Canelo back then, drained or not. But Floyd did take a shortcut to getting that win vs Canelo. We may disagree on how close to Prime Floyd was in 2013 but what you can't deny is how much better of a fighter Canelo is now than he was back then. And, in retrospect, with the benefit of hindsight, there's no way you can argue that Canelo back when he fought Floyd was anywhere near his prime. At the time, it may have seemed that way, 23 years old, 13 years younger than Floyd, but now we know better. We know how hard Floyd worked in the gym to stretch out his prime, and we know how much better Canelo is than that fighter today.

Still I look back on that match and I thought Canelo showed a lot of poise that night. Yes he was outpointed by Mayweather and Mayweather deserves a ton of credit for his performance that night, but it was far from flawless and that wasn't because he was faded. It was because even a pre-Prime, work-in-progress, weight drained Canelo gave him all kinds of problems. From the countless feints early on, to the body work, to the ropes sequence in the 10th round with the 12 punch combo, Canelo had his moments and held his own that night against Mayweather.

No it wasn't. Mayweather was a HEAVY Favorite. Most casuals back then had never even heard of Canelo.

Some fighters peak earlier than others. Canelo was a slow and steady rise. Also we need to keep in mind that Loma was hugely overrated and was injured going into that. Some fighters hit their prime in their early 20s and are past their best by their late 20s. Other fighters don't reach their prime until they are 30 like Canelo. It all depends on the fighter. Age is just a number. Every fighter is different who grow, develop and peak at different rates.

I never said he was green but he was certainly weight drained. I'm not gonna use that as an excuse for why Canelo lost but it always needs to be pointed out as a factor and an asterisk around that match. Canelo had a ton of fights, he was a very active fighter but the fights that Floyd had been in over his career were bigger and he was way more experienced at fighting in PPV Main Events than Canelo. So I wouldn't call Canelo green persay, but he was Green as a PPV Main Eventer compared to Floyd who was a seasoned PPV Main Eventer.

He had faster reflexes and better defense and elusivness at that time, but the punch accuracy even then was very comparable. You can't go by punch stat numbers. Canelo landed some very accurate punches on Floyd, he busted up Floyd with hard jabs, landed highly accurate body shots through Floyd's guard. Again the main problem was that Canelo was not skilled enough to avoid Mayweather's jab. Mayweather's jab was sublime that night and it won him the fight. But lets not take anything away from how accurate Canelo was as a puncher. Mayweather was incredibly elusive that night but he was still getting hit with good shots. The difference was he was out jabbing Canelo. Power punches were very even. Body shots, Canelo landed more. He found holes through that shoulder roll all night.

We're never gonna agree on this Pimp, but I respect where you're coming from. We're both well educated students of the sweet science we just see this a little differently. It would be boring if we agreed on everything but I think we both acknowledge how good both Mayweather and Canelo were / are in their respective primes. They will forever be linked and both have carved out legacies and are ATGs at the absolute top of the sport.

In a fantasy matchup of current Prime Canelo vs the best versions of Prime Mayweather somehow at the same weight, we would be treated to a close competitive match that would be the most difficult and toughest fight possible of any fighter each has ever faced.

 

i seen the fight,pac won

 

Don't get too excited, Floyd also said Gervonta Davis is the face of boxing.

 

Like he was back then?? He'd have done what he did then Duck em ! lol