Floyd Mayweather Said Manny Pacquiao, NOT Canelo, Is The Best Fighter He's Ever Fought...

Well if you ever think of some reasons why Pac had a better career then Canelo let us know, because as it stands you haven't given any reasons to support your argument.

 

Easy, because they were all considered greater threats than anyone Canelo has faced. Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Mayweather are also considered ATGs. Pac was also the underdog in many of those fights. He was also past his prime. I followed him since his days at 122 and I consider 130 his last days in his physical prime. His tear through 147 was surprising, but probably had more to do with his speed and taking up his advanced skill set from the lower weight classes.

This isn't a knock on Canelo. Canelo is still making his legacy. Pac could have retired on multiple occasions and still have been considered an ATG. Canelo just entered his prime and just started his ATG legacy. He is also in weight classes that I don't think have as much talent. He can already retire an ATG, but to be Pac level I think he needs to take on threats like Beterbiev and Bivol.

 

Pacquiao is an ATG no doubt about it, but lets not get crazy and start ignoring all his flaws and the times he got knocked out when comparing him to other ATGs. One thing I find interesting is how you said his physical prime was way back when he was at 130. I think most people would consider his physical prime when he was at welterweight between the years of 2008-2012. If I had to pinpoint one fight of his where he was arguably at his absolute peak it might have been when he fought David Diaz. Diaz was coming over a big win over Morales and Pacquiao just blew him away that night. For you to say that his peak was before that, I'm not sure how many people would agree with you.

As far as level of competition, that's probably the best argument there is. But here's the problem, Pacquiao never clearly beat Marquez. Each of his wins were debated and many said Marquez was robbed each time. People try to discredit Canelo saying he didn't beat GGG because they disagreed with the decision, or claim GGG was past his prime. Well you can say the same thing about Pacquiao. When Morales was still in his prime, he beat Pacquiao. Morales slowed down pretty quickly after that and when Pacquiao rematched him and especially the 3rd time he was nowhere near his prime. So Pacquiao only beat a "past prime" Morales and lost to Morales when he was still in his prime.

If Pacquiao didn't get KO'd by Marquez and then went on to beat Mayweather you'd have a better argument. These performances definitely took Pacquiao down a notch when looking at his career and comparing him to other fighters.

 

Cotto was drained when he fought Pac, at a catchweight. Lets not forget that. Cotto took an absolute beating that night. Cotto didn't take anywhere near that kind of beating against Canelo. Canelo carried Cotto that night, still won easy. But like you said, that's not the point.

You trying to split his career into two, under 135 then 140 and above, then claiming he had 2 ATG careers is an interesting argument. And what if I did that for Canelo, how about before he fought Mayweather and after. Canelo was undefeated before he fought Mayweather. Pacquiao wasn't undefeated before he moved to 135. Pacquiao had been knocked out twice earlier in his career.

We're in agreement that both are ATGs. That's not debatable. The question is who had a better career and it seems pretty clear due to their records, their number of losses and due to how many times they've been stopped Canelo had a better career. Now you can argue that Pacquiao had bigger wins vs bigger names than Canelo has, but that's only one aspect of comparing an ATG and many of those wins by Pacquiao were controversial or were vs fighters who were past their prime, and the same can be said for some of Canelo's wins. It's a fascinating argument and it's no disrespect to have either fighter ahead of the other, I just don't see how you can put Pacquiao ahead given their records, and where Canelo is now. Also if Canelo becomes undisputed at SMW that makes it even harder to argue Pacaquiao had a better career.

 

Most guys have also never laced up gloves themselves or followed Pac until he fought DelaHoya. Most guys don't even know Marquez spent most of his career and prime at 126. I'm not too concerned with the opinions of casual fans.

Barrera was a multi-weight champion, Morales a multi-weight champion. Marquez, a multi-weight champion, Mayweather a multi-weight champion, Cotto a multi-weight champion, DelaHoya a multi-weight champion, Hatton a multi-weight champion. The lower weight classes are just stacked with more talent. All of those guys are going to the HOF and most are considered ATGs.

Canelo's top victories are over Kovalev, GGG, Jacobs, and Lara. Only Jacobs has ventured and won a belt in another weight class. Only Kov and GGG are HOF worthy, but I wouldn't consider them as good as the guys Pac has faced.

Honestly I'm not sure why you got so triggered by this. Mayweather faced Pac after a having a laundry list of accomplishments. Pac is also coming from the lower weight classes which in general considered more skilled than the higher weight classes. Canelo was pre-prime. Of course the older more accomplished champion is going to have more skills and tricks than the younger champion. Canelo is still improving and writing his legacy. Right now is a snap shot, not a finished product. Nothing to get all bent out of shape about. He could very well end up with a legacy like May or Pac when it's all said and done.

Me personally I'm a fan of boxing vs boxers so I don't mind telling it how it is even for boxers I like.

 

lol no, Canelo got whitewashed. Canelo might be the only guy who has more pull with the judges than Floyd in Vegas.

a draw? Canelo didn’t win a single round clearly.

Pac won 2 rounds clearly and arguably won 5. Pac also hurt Floyd twice. He had Floyd running and hugging, much more than he was vs Canelo.

Canelo barely touched Floyd.

you’re blind.

 

Canelo was not the best fighter Floyd fought.

 

The judges had it much closer. Pacquiao Mayweather was a stinker. It was a boring fight. Canelo Mayweather on the other hand was exciting. Look you can believe or say whatever you want, but Canelo landed plenty of clean shots on Floyd.

What happens is now is we to go to the photographs to show you what you refuse to see -

Right hook - Floyd sweat be sprayin:
https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/10/GettyImages-180593863.jpg

Floyd getting smacked right in the mouth with a jab - Floyd sweat be sprayin:
https://images.daznservices.com/di/...her-112718-ftr_1g0mh3dotx35o1axp4li4n3g37.jpg

Floyd curling up and looking scared on the ropes -
https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2021/02/73258-16136511031630-800.jpg

Canelo left hook around the guard -
https://e0.365dm.com/15/04/1600x900/floyd-mayweather-saul-alvarez-canelo-alvarez_3291476.jpg

More Canelo body work right between the guard -
https://www.bestboxingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/canelo-floyd2.jpg

Straight right hand - Floyd tried to avoid it - but couldn't
https://i.imgur.com/GpqR5iA.jpg

Shall we go on? Or are you gonna keep BSing about how Canelo barely touched Floyd. Canelo was tagging Floyd all night, you just refuse to see it.

 

Floyd broke ppv records and much more money than canelo

Canelo was told to wait in the dressing room for the Diaz v Masvidal fight to end, As they are more popular

I like canelo, but he isn't that much of a superstar

I can't stand conor mcgregor, but if he fought a bin man on the same night as canelo, his fight would draw WAY more attention

 

Wait, is this even a controversial statement on PBF's part? Are there people who think Canelo is greater than Pac?

 

Its hard to think that a 23 year old Canelo would be the best over pac back then . Try a 30 year old Canelo and see what changes? Lol

 

Canelo should have at least 3 or 4 losses on his record and he never fought the guys in their prime like pacquiao

Canelo is a great fighter, but he is no manny pacquiao

P4p manny pacquiao is well ahead of canelo

Imagine a 2009 version of manny v a Bjs or Callum Smith level fighter?

He would smash them to pieces and win every second of every round

I have a Floyd av, as it triggers many, but I respect both him and manny equally

Both better than canelo

 

@dangerousity I got some more for ya. More photos showing Floyd getting lit up by Canelo. But I thought you said Canelo barely touched him. These photos say otherwise.

Perfectly placed overhand right landing square on Floyd's face -
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180594088?s=2048x2048

Canelo right hand smashing Floyd across the head-
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...ound-of-their-picture-id180623439?s=2048x2048

Canelo hitting Floyd with a jab square in his face -
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180615625?s=2048x2048

Canelo evading a Floyd jab to the body
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180593592?s=2048x2048

Floyd trying to pull back to avoid a straight right hand, but couldn't avoid it, Gets smashed on the chin -
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180594166?s=2048x2048

But these punches never happened according to you. I bet you clowns never seen any of these huh. When photographic evidence rocks people world.

Floyd looking like he seen a ghost -
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180593966?s=2048x2048

Floyd stunned by a straight right, sweat flying everywhere-
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180593951?s=2048x2048

Canelo right hook landing clean -
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180594090?s=2048x2048

Mayweather face contorting from a big right hand, sweat flying-
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-during-their-picture-id180593864?s=2048x2048

Floyd getting lit up on the ropes by a massive straight right -
https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...-in-action-vs-picture-id180780860?s=2048x2048

Look at that expression on Floyd's face. He never been it like that in his life.

 

Canelo broke the butts-in-seats record. That's all that matters. Someone like Floyd who brags about $$ and PPV buys is insecure and disrespectful to the working class who struggle every day just to make ends meat. Mayweather Pacquiao was the biggest rip off in boxing history. $100 bucks for a stinker, anyone associated with that event should be ashamed of theyself.

Canelo Saunders only cost $20, a mere £2 in the U.K. Canelo gave you much more value for your $$ than Floyd did. Floyd never filled up a stadium. Canelo is a much bigger draw than Floyd ever was. Floyd only set his PPV records when he fought other ATGs, like DLH, Pacquiao, Canelo, etc. Canelo set the butts-in-seats record with Billy Joe Saunders. Neither fighter is even American and they drew 73,000+ plus in Texas. Floyd never done even 1/5 of those numbers in his life.