Floyd Mayweather takes swipe at Muhammad Ali while ranking greatest boxers

Mayweather overrates Pernell

 

I don't hold it against any man for making as much money as they can as long as it's through honest means. I applaud him for playing the system and beating it while retiring with his health and wealth intact.

Only reason I'm being so critical is that no one put a gun to his head and told him to call himself TBE. He has the freedom of speech to say that and I don't fault a fighter for having the mental fortitude to try to back up their claims, but like you said he never had that primal burning twinkle in his eye like other true warriors of the sport. There were flashes of it when he was younger but he eventually showed his true colors as he got older and richer. I too have him in my top 25 spot but it's hard to argue top 10 with how he did himself a disservice.

 

I completely agree.

 

Good, we agree then.

I simply applied your logic. You are the one who called Canelo, a boxer with 42 fights before facing Mayweather, inexperienced.
So if Canelo with 42 fights was inexperienced, how was Foreman experienced with 40 ?!

 

No I said nothing at all about Canelo here-or I think anywhere on this website.
You have mistaken me for someone else. Go back & check.

But why apply what you know is faulty logic?
Even without an Olympic Gold or fighting ATGs, if you know that it is highly unlikely anyone can have 42 fights-assuming some real prospects or contenders too-& be inexperienced, do not perpetuate such false claims by agreeing.

 

That's the tricky part with p4p ratings. How does Floyd's work in several divisions compare to Ali's superior number of wins against ranked opp and, especially, lineal title wins?

I don't have a clear answer to that.

 

I am sorry my fried, you were right, it was the poster [url]scandcb[/url] who said that, not you.
I originally quoted him and replied, but he never replied back. And when you replied to the reply I meant for him, I confused the 2 of you.
My apologies.

 

Ali does not have a superior number of wins.
And Floyd's opposition was just as good, if not better.

 

Yes, any way you slice it he has.

 

How was Liston past his best when Ali beat him?

Foreman was in his prime when Ali fought him. Canelo was not when Mayweather fought him.

Frazier had only lost to Foreman when Ali beat him twice. Before their third meeting he had previously stopped Ellis and Quarry.

 

Liston was past it cause he was around 40 years old and barely trained. Plus he injured his shoulder.

Says who ?! What makes you think a 74 Foreman was better than say a 76 Foreman or a 91-92 Foreman ?!???

A 74 Foreman had 40 fights under his belt. When Canelo fought Mayweather, he had 42.
So Canelo was just as experienced when he fought Mayweather as Foreman was when he fought Ali.

Boxers like Frazier are never meant for longevity. His style required constant movement and when you age you don't have enough stamina to keep doing that effectively. And him beating Ellis and Quarry does no mean much since: Quarry was never a proper HW to begin with and Ellis had already lost his previous 3 fights before facing Frazier.

The point I'm making is that your logic can be applied just as well to Ali.

 

Nope, just you Ali fanboys think that.

 

1) Liston was around 35 years old. Yes, he injured his shoulder in the first fight with Ali, but he still got knocked out in the rematch.

2) Where did I say that Foreman wasn't in his prime in 1976? Whichever way you cut it, Ali's gave Foreman a boxing lesson.

3) Foreman was almost 26 when he fought Ali and had just stopped Norton and Frazier. Canelo had just turned 23 and was coming off a fight with Austin Trout that he barely won. Canelo's best work came later on in his career.

4) Ali's style was not meant for longevity either. Yet, he showed his toughness and intelligence later in his career and picked up some of his most impressive wins. Far more impressive than Mayweather's best wins in my opinion.

5) Mayweather made his opponents fight in oversized rings, which favoured his style of boxing, and received favourable treatment from USADA and sometimes the referee. Ali did not enjoy these advantages to anywhere near the same extent.

 

He fought remnants of great figthers. He fought past prime DLH and only win merely by sneaking mosquito punches. He didnt fought Manny until Manny has fought lots of bigger guys for years and got KO'd by Marquez. He fought Cotto after Cotto has been beaten in brutal war with Manny.

Floyd retires everytime he suppose to fight the best fighter he should have fought. Its all about business, and he's a great businessman. He retired when he supposed to fought Manny, then he came back when Manny has been a damaged good (wasnt even convincing win). He then retired again just so he could make the media and the fans asking him to comeback.. and when he did, it was against non boxer lol

He simply sell his undefeated record to maximum degree ... back in the day, nobody ever make a big deal of this crap. Its all about fighting the best fighter out there when those fighters also at their peak.

Lots of journeyman coming into big fights with a record that will surprise people and gets them into thinking, wow this guy's a solid challanger based on his record! Botha came into Tyson fight with a record 39-1 lol, that's as impressive as Tyson record during 85-90.
When Chavez was 80-0 , he just keep on fighting the best challanger that's available at the time, no bull**** retirement. Jones supposed to be 50-0 aswell when he beat Tarver , his only lost was a DQ after he KO'd Griffin, basically a win.

 

Ali has over 30 wins over ranked opp (at the time of the fight) and 22 wins in fights for the lineal title.

How do you mean that Floyd equals those numbers?