Floyd Mayweather - The Best Ever?

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  1. BetterThenYou

    BetterThenYou Active Member Full Member

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    Simple question with reasonable options
     
  2. Critic

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    best in what?
     
  3. macalpinerules

    macalpinerules Active Member Full Member

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    I'm gonna supply you with my automated response to this question

    I'm tired of Mayweather referencing his 40+ undefeated fight streak as a reason for him being the greatest. Boxing has many fighters who were undefeated for 40+ fights while arguably fighting better comp.

    Felix Trinidad 40-0. The version of De La Hoya that Felix fought craps on any fighter on Floyd's resume. The version of Vargas Trinidad fought also craps on anyone on Floyd's resume.

    Roy Jones was essentially 50-0. The Version of Toney that Jones fought is better than anyone on Floyd's resume. And the version of Hopkins that Jones fought is better than anyone on Floyd's resume.

    Pernell Whitaker was essentially 42-0. The Version of Chavez that Whitaker fought is better than anyone on Floyd's resume. Whitaker arguably beat a better version of De La Hoya. And his win over Nelson might be better than any win Floyd has.

    Julio Cesar Chavez was 87-0 with wins over Laporte, Rosario, Ramirez and Taylor.

    Joe Calzaghe retired at 46-0. His win over Hopkins is better than any win on Floyd's resume. And his win over Kessler is equal to any win on Floyd's resume except for Canelo and Castillo.

    Ricardo Lopez ran his record to 47-0

    Marco Antonio Barrera ran his record to 43-0 while defending the super bantamweight title 8 times.

    Chris John ran his record to 42-0 with a win over Marquez being better than any win on Floyd resume. (John fought Marquez at his natural weight)

    Erik Morales ran his record to 41-0 with his win over Barrera being better than any win on Floyd's resume.

    Larry Holmes Ran his record to 48-0

    James Toney Was 44-0 before losing to Jones. His win over McCallum is a better than any win in Floyd's resume. And his win over Michael Nunn is arguably at least equal to any win on Floyd's resume.

    Now I'm not saying Floyd isn't a great fighter. I'm just pointing to the fact that referencing his undefeated record as evidence of him being the greatest doesn't make sense because boxing is littered with fighters whohave compiled 40+ undefeated records while fighting better fighters than Floyd has in some cases. I think when Floyd loses it will be a good thing because we will finally be able to judge him by the quality of his resume and not simply because he's won all his fights.

    Let me reiterate for clarity: I'm not saying Mayweather is not a great. He's an ATG to be exact. What I'm arguing is the meaning of his undefeated record. Floyd wants us to believe that his undefeated record means that he is the TBE (The Best Ever). I tend to disagree. The only thing that Mayweather could use in defense of his TBE argument is the quality of his resume. And at the moment his resume does not support the claim of TBE.
     
  4. BetterThenYou

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    Its not based on his undefeated record. His 0 means crap. Its the style he has beat opponents. Tito's win over Vargas = Floyd's win over Hatton. Tito got dropped numerously. The only one who came close is Roy Jones if he retired before the Tarver 2 fight
     
  5. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. Not the greatest, but easily the best. In his prime, hes not lacking in any areas. No holes in his game at all. He's either good or great in every category, and had very good power before he started moving up in weight. top 3 defense of all time, and a very very good, crisp, accurate offense. Can throw any punch. and is the most accurate fighter of all time.

    So I dont think hes the greatest. But as far as skillsets go, he's the best .
     
  6. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he is not even top 50 all time stupid question
     
  7. Akxtinguish

    Akxtinguish Belt holder Full Member

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    No, compare Floyd to a guy like SRL and you will see the difference.
     
  8. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's more skilled than SRL.
     
  9. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No not the best ever
     
  10. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    hes the best ever.....

    the best ducker! the best cherry picker!! the best voider! the best rich coward!!!! the best at making health come first!!!!!

    har har har
     
  11. Akxtinguish

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    Wow :patsch
     
  12. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is he not? He doesn't have better defense than SRL? Is not more disciplined in and out of the ring than SRL? Is he not a better boxer than SRL?
     
  13. twofear

    twofear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i checked everything :good
     
  14. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Come on. Sugar Ray Robinson is the best ever by miles and miles. Floyd would have to go through the top ten at 140, 147, and 154 at least TWICE to be in the discussion.
     
  15. gatorbama

    gatorbama Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wasn't there a fight this weekend that DIDNT involve mayweather?