Floyd Mayweather - The Best Ever?

Of course not. There have been so many great fighters throughout history.

I do think he is a great fighter, and his resume is solid among THIS era. However, for an ATG, his resume is not good.

 

Lol course hes not the best ever.

The best ever ducker but not the best ever boxer

 

I choose the third option.

He did not test himself against all the best challenges out there.

Instead, he tried to talk his way out of most of them.

What really puzzles me most is how he did not take on Pacquiao at a time when it would have mattered. He would have been the favorite then, for good reason. It could have enhanced his legacy.

 

since you believe that floyd is strictly the reason the fight never happened.....im sure you have your reasons/evidence......there are many reasons and much evidence to suggest that manny/arum were the reasons the fight hasnt happened

accept that is also an extreme possiblity....you cant force someone to fight you if they dont want to

 

And calling himself G.O.A.T or TBE or whatever else he fancies at the moment won't make boxing historians consider him as that, they will have to see consider his career and his overall skills to rank him in history.

 

The Fraud comment was a dart He is an incredibly talented fighter. The sharp defensive skills of a Pernell Whitaker and or a Wille Pep. As for bias ,look at how you reference SRL ... I asked ANYONE to name one significant victory of Floyd,s ?? And I am stating that SRL, Hearns,Pryor and 135 lbs of Duran beats him... No way is he the best ever... So, YOU say who,s opinion is,relevant ???

 

Good post !! His resume pales against some of the greats we have mentioned on here. And if you start putting him H2H against some of the great fighters in history... He loses his ) and starts putting losses on his record. I am still waiting for someone to share about Floyd,s top victories over great fighters, in their prime ...

 

Well, if the thread is about Pacquiao, I would have said my piece about his part on that fight not happening. But since this is about Floyd and his claim about being the best ever, we talk about him here. We can't deal with an issue by blowing smoke, like a misdirection.

And it is not just about Pacquiao. Floyd has a very real history of having challenges let him slip by, which if he actually faced would have enhanced his legacy.

 

ok....pac aside(since well agree that potentially both guys could be blamed)....what challenges do you speak of? interested to hear your take

 

For one, he took two years off from 2007 to 2009, and then picked on a lightweight in Marquez when he could have picked among several legit opponents at welterweight, or even jr middle.

He could have taken on a peak Sergio, for starters. Maybe Margarito. Welterweight was teeming with the likes of Williams before he took off. You know what challenges he chose not to take on. If he did, his critics probably would still go on and criticize his every move, but they certainly would have a lot less bullets to shoot at him. Not to mention when the time comes that history judges his body of work, taking on all comers is always better than having a reputation of cherrypicking.

 

the "critics" are the problem.....because nothing is ever good enough

ok...i get that margarito style wise could be a tough matchup for floyd right....i mean he could have been for anyone....ya ok p will with those arms...the height...the punch output....sure he could have been a nightmare for anyone....

at the end of the day though...you know floyds skillset....you know hes prob one of the most intellignet fighters of his generation.....you know margarito is not a great fighter....hes a chin, toughness, and stamina......p will is a big guy who throws alot of punches but his style often gives away those natural advantages and doesnt know much in the way of defense....same for tony

its just the hypothetical "styles make fights" cliche that leads people to believe these guys were some great challenges......cmon margs got his face boxed off for 15 rounds against cotto....had cotto implied what he did in the 2nd fight over the last 6 rounds of the first fight cotto would have whooped him both times.....shane whooped him......pwill got outboxed thoroughly over 12 rounds by lara and quintana.....

had floyd beaten p will and margs those things would have been mentioned.....and new bullets would have been found to use.....as someone else mentioned here "the way people talk about margarito and p will sometimes youd think they were some all time greats or something"....good fighters but hardly anything to build enhance a resume/legacy signifigantly

 

That's the thing.

I said Floyd would have been the favorite over Pacquiao, had they fought circa 2010.

Floyd wold have also been the favorite over Williams, Margarito, or any of the other full-blown welterweight contenders during those times. I would have thought he might have been a slight underdog against a peak Sergio, but I for one think he had an equal chance to pull it off.

But he chose not to face these challenges. Being the favorite but not actually doing the fight, does not actually equate to having these challenges on one's resume.

History does not work that way.

 

never said it did equate to that.......just saying had he fought and beat those guys there would have been different bullets to be launched at him....and people would tear down williams or margarito as ever being anything close to a real threat if they were beaten is convincing fashion......like i said...those guys arent signifigant resume/legacy enhancers anyway.....you can just hear the haters "margarito was a cheat...cotto boxed his face off....old man shane ripped him up....win means **** for floyd"......"omg wow floyd beat the same guy who was beaten by carlos quintana?....wow sweet"!......theres holes in those guys.....

and as far as to say "he chose not to face those challenges".....well i think we can call pac a wash since we can supply evidence both guys are roadblocks.....margarito did want the fight.....but i could go on about that and how floyd made a much better decision for himself financially in the long run bypassing that fight at the time......arum even confirmed that floyd said he had no problem taking 8 mil to fight margarito...the issue was floyd wanted 10 mil guarantees in the future for fighting cotto and hatton.....and bob was only willing to give him 7.....bob could have had that fight if he hadnt been so stingy....and floyd opted out and went his own way.....so basically bob offered him less for a hatton fight than he would have gotten for a margarito fight....do you know what floyd made for the hatton fight when he went on his own and became his own boss? 25 mil....

looking at another fighter....in pac...and im not trying to dog him cuz i dont hate him.....but why does he get a pass for fighting cotto over shane at the time......shane was the champ at 147 coming off a big win....he was begging for the fight....that was the right fight to make...instead they went with cotto because bob would be "working for a higher percentage" and he was viewed a bigger draw........its just not floyd who implies that strategy in his career....although the way some talk youd think he was the only one