Floyd Mayweather - The Best Ever?

Dominated who? Margarito, Pacquiao, Castillo, Maidana, Casamayor? Those were fighters he could have faced, but never did and some of those he did like Castillo and Maidana he didn't dominate wake up son. I know Floyd is great for me a great defense beats a great offense, but I don't see Srl, Tommy, Duran, or Benitez struggling with anyone in Floyds resume. At least not the versions he fought. H2h I honestly can't see Floyd beating a prime Mosley or Oscar.

 

I do actually see your point, and I for one am of the opinion now that Pacquiao did seem to have as much of the blame as Floyd had for their failed superfight.

In the matter of had Floyd actually fought the opponents his critics are throwing at him now, and those same critics turning on other "should-have" opponents--I believe every fighter in history would have his share of critics.

But it would have been a lot less tenable for his critics to be saying Floyd should have fought a then-lightweight champ in Marquez instead of facing the biggest threats at welterweight like Paul Williams, or Tony Margarito, rather than the other way around.

In this case, the criticism I believe, has a lot of merit. I can see how much the business part of boxing has entered into how Floyd conducts/conducted his career. And I don't really see it helping his case any better when history renders its judgment.

 

i get your point and respect your opinion as well...

to be somewhat fair.....do you think that in retrospect now floyds win over marquez doesnt look as bad though? i mean hes proven to be a pretty good/durable welterweight.....and he beat pac once there and gave him hell there again.....i know people are always going to say that was jmm first fight at welter so its different....theyll mention the "scale".....but i think it speaks volumes that jmm has 0 interest in a rematch....you know he feels it serves no purpose and would go no different.......i think in the end that jmm scalp actually is better than having margarito or pwill on the resume

as far as history rendering judgement? well adding pwill and margs to his resume isnt going to improve his "ATG" standing one bit in reality......hes pretty much stuck where he is ...the only thing that could have altered that was a pac fight a few years ago....i wont even get into that....thats a whole story istelf....but thats really the only fight that could enhance his legacy imo....otherwise he just has to accept he can be regarded one of, if not the, best of his generation.....but historically his ATG status is at a standstill and isnt going anywhere

 

Wow just wow

 

No one has ever denied Floyd is an exceptionally talented boxer with incredible God Given talents. BUT talent alone will never make an ATG
To be the best you have to have Talent Heart Courage and the cojones of a real champion. Floyd is sadly lacking in the last 3
He was cursed with the heart, courage & cojones of a gnat. What a terrible waste of talent

 

Floyd, his dad, and his daughters voted Yes.

 

How can he be the best ever when he isn't even the best in this generation. LOL.

 

No, that's altogether wrong--I don't think having Marquez on Floyd's resume will make up for the absence of, let alone be better than, Margarito or Paul Williams being there on his resume.

Marquez was a lightweight who moved up to face Floyd, who ignored the true challenges at welterweight. Marquez until now, isn't really a true welterweight. He has been successful against Pacquiao at welter, true, but that is mainly because of the styles matchup more than anything else plus he has had a rare late-career resurgence in terms of physical conditioning.

Marquez can never pose the stylistic threats a Williams or a Margarito would have presented to Floyd, and that is actually the main reason the clamor for these fights were so high back then.

 

ehhh...but see....thats the thing to me......people simply think the "styles" argument is the end all be all.......i guess to beat floyd you just keep walking through his punches and try to wear him down and find holes in his "leaky" defense to beat him....i mean that would be maragaritos plan and is his "style"

i guess to beat floyd you stand there and try to throw 100 punches around without having much defense of your own....but you just keep letting your hands go and youll beat floyd.....cause thats what p will would do and was his style.......i mean surely someone else would have done this stuff already....

all you mean by style really is "they are much bigger and i would have like to see if margarito could bully floyd....or p wills reach advantage would be too much for floyd to overcome and get through"........yer not really counting on their styles because their styles are nothing a guy like floyd couldnt handle.....

marquez was a guy that called floyd out....sure he was coming up...but the guy wanted the fight....hes proven to be a capable welter...and at the time was a top p4p guy....and still is really.....something margarito and p will never were.......personally i think dominating jmm like that means more for floyd long term than beating two guys who are never going to rate anywhere on anyones great list.....they arent even greats of their generation....

i know you disagree...and thats cool...i respect your opinion.....i just dont think you really mean its their styles....i think its just the advantages they hold over floyd...youd like to see if he could overcome them.....that would be the real challenge.....because their styles arent all that great to begin with

 

Yes, I guess we can disagree on this one, because I can also see your point of view here.

However, I really meant the the swarming style of a Paul Williams or a Margarito would have spelled a lto of trouble for Floyd. Castillo gave him a hard first fight with a somewhat similar style. Imagine a true swarmer employed by huge welterweights like Margarito or Williams. Well, Marquez may have been in pound-for-pound lists at the time with his body of work at lightweight and below, but Paul was a pound-for-pound entrant as well, competing anywhere between welterweight to middleweight. As for Marquez, I can't even see him taking a fight against a natural welterweight at this point, someone who did not come up from a lower division--I haven't actually read Nacho even considering it.

 

Actually this post really sums it all up. He's right by Floyds blatant ducking of legitimate opponents we do not know how good Floyd could have been. We all know Floyd possessed the incredible talents needed but lacked the courage & cojones top take on all comers.
If Floyd had manned up and faced Paquaio, Margarito, Williams etc when he should have done he may well have beaten them all. Then EVERYONE would agree Floyd really is the ATG he claims to be. But sadly this can never be now Floyd will always be known as the man that let it get away It could be by now Ali. Robinson & Mayweather jr as best ever what a shame he gave that away

 

Void is a damned coward, he will not fight Pac and is afraid that he might get hurt........................damn.................

 

BWAHAH AHAHHAH.

BECAUSE HE BEAT TREX CARRALEZ.

skills are measured against competition idiot.

theftjr is jsta bumbeater who went life and death with washedup good fighters.:deal

 

how can any of you say floyd's game has no holes when he doesn't fight the best opposition out there? fighting the best opponent out there is when the holes start to appear. skills are not everything, the supposedly "best" basketball ball handler is just a bench warmer.

 

A prime meldrick Taylor would have cut floyd to bits, SRR fought so often, floyd fights once a year, SRR would have fought with injury after injury with how often he was in the ring, the pool of fighters in those days was absolutely huge compared to these days, with a larger pool the talent will be naturally better, also applying to when SRL, Duran, hearns and hagler were fighting, any of these guys would have hunted and destroyed floyd, even floyd snr said that in an interview, the competition in those days was extraordinary