Floyd Mayweather vs. Amir Khan speculation & discussion

Thurman's welterweight resume beats Khan's.

Top five W's:

Thurman - his last five. (Chaves, Soto Karass, Zaveck, Diaz, shot Quintana ...edit: actually Lora)

Khan - only has two. (Diaz, shot Collazo).

THROW AWAY Thurman's best three wins, and his 147lb resume is still equal to Khan's, if not better. His fourth best welterweight victory is old Kidd Diaz, who also happens to be Khan's best...and Thurman dominated and stopped him whereas Khan struggled mightily (nearly as much as Porter did in his first go-around with Diaz, getting a gift draw) and got dropped, only edging the veteran by a single point on my card. Thurman's fifth best cancels out Khan's 2nd best - shot Quintana and shot Collazo really aren't on a dissimilar level, despite Collazo having put himself "back in the mix" with the stoppage of warmed-over ****-show, mental case, and part-time boxer Ortiz. (deceptive, as Collazo had only recently shown how far gone he was by struggling with the likes of regional-level Alan Sanchez and Steve Upsher Chambers...so don't tell me he was much better than Quintana fresh off the Latimore upset...)

Thurman's WORST of his top five is greater than or equal to Khan's only two victories at the weight - and Thurman has three vastly superior additions in Zaveck, JSK, and Chaves on top of that.

 

My fault - Thurman vs. Quintana was at light middle.

So replace Quintana with Orlando Lora, and the entire above statement rings true.

Diaz (better performance) + Lora, both via stoppage >>> Diaz (horrible performance, barely edging it) + shot Collazo, both via decision.

The worst two of Thurman's five best wins at the weight are still equal to Khan's only two...while Thurman has another three blowing all four of those wins away.

 

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Collazo of 2014 isn't the Collazo that gave Berto and Hatton fits years ago. He's the Collazo that struggled with Chambers and Sanchez. Knocking out Victor Ortiz at that point meant absolutely nothing. It gave him a "name" W to launch him into the spotlight, but incredibly undeservedly. Perhaps the most deceptive W in recent memory, as far as scamming everyone into buying someone as world class whom in reality fell away long ago from that distinction and is now barely C- grade. (like shot Quintana, or Lora)

 

'Similar level fighter 5 times'?

Khan is slated for struggling with Diaz, whom Thurman dominated. Diaz is Thurman's 4th best win at welter, and Khan's best.

Collazo was shot to bits, as was Ortiz. (who also was coming off a two-year layoff and back to back stoppage losses, the latter of which literally involved his jaw being violently separated from his face)

Do NOT act like beating that old shitty version of Collazo trumps JSK, Chaves, or Zaveck. It doesn't. He's a bigger name, based on riding the coattails of what he accomplished years ago (and with the illusion of still 'having it' from knocking out the even bigger shell of an empty 'big name' that is Ortiz) but Collazo loses decisively to Chaves, JSK, and Zaveck at this stage...as does Julio Diaz. The last time Collazo was close to world class was in 2009 when he got robbed against Berto, more than five years before he fought Khan. Since then, without exception, Collazo has been ****. The fact that Ortiz also had a 'name' but happened to be even worse by when they met doesn't make it meaningful.

They ARE NOT all the same level. Chaves > JSK and Zaveck >>>> Diaz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 Collazo.

 

Uh, no.

Alexander is 3-1 at welter. (JSK was at light middle). He beat a pre-Garcia Maidana, stylistically tailor made for him - although, fair enough, creditable win (but still not the same as beating improved post-Garcia Maidana)...and the ancient "Slim Puncher's Chance King" Bailey in an ugly, shitty fight...and Lee Purdy who is UK domestic level, maybe Euro being generous. He also got whooped by the very average, unexceptional Shawn Porter (who is actually not in Alexander's league p4p and prime for prime, but was bigger and brawnier and managed to swarm and confuse Alexander with sheer aggressive disposition and raw athleticism despite not possessing a lick of fundamental boxing skill).

Not the best 147lb resume. Not the best 147lb scalp. Not any better than Chaves, or Soto Karass, or Zaveck.

As for Thurman not headlining - um, he only broke onto the scene in the last two years. Khan has been hyped up, both at home and internationally, for a decade now, since before he even turned pro. Of course the bigger name & draw is Khan. That doesn't make him a bigger threat or better welterweight.

As for being " 3 down on an Amir khan headliner against another fringe contender" - uh, wtf? I take it you know absolutely nothing about Leo Bundu and have never seen him in action, just going off Boxrec? He is legitimately world class and better than Khan or Alexander.

As for you saying "I cant see Floyd fighting someone just coming off no 3 on an undercard who's never had a belt, a win against a top 10 WW, or world title fight." - uh, what top 10 WW has Khan beaten? The fact that he did hold titles at lower weights means nothing as far as making him a credible opponent at 147lb having done sweet **** all - that's even after he beats Alexander, if he does.

 

They are not similar level.

Chaves is good enough to hold a title belt and may someday.

JSK is a top-shelf gatekeeper, culling world titlists from pretenders. (just a half a rung down the ladder from Chaves)

Zaveck is a former titlist - never among the strongest belt holders in the world but he was never close to what you'd call a paper champ - who is still tough and capable of upsetting a few of the same guys JSK can (and maybe even some of the guys that he can't, with styles making fights)


Diaz is a couple of rungs below them all. Formerly very good fighter at lightweight in his prime - but this isn't his prime and he isn't making lightweight these days. He troubled Porter, a fraud - and Khan, who doesn't belong at welterweight. He wouldn't trouble any of the above trio or anybody with a belt at 147lbs.

Collazo is a few rungs lower still. Wiping the floor with Ortiz means nothing. He let the slow-as-molasses El Riel Hernandez outbox and drop him...and was then given major life and death hassle by freaking Steve Upsher Chambers...and to a lesser degree Alan Sanchez.

Ortiz isn't even on the ladder. He's the bit of scummy dirt in the scuff mark left on the floor by the foot of the ladder. He is NOTHING these days. He was off for almost two years following the in-ring facial reconstruction surgery by Dr. Lopez, and that itself was nine months after getting outclassed and two-pieced unconscious by Mayweather. Ortiz vs. Berto ruined both men; they were never the same. Ortiz more so than Berto.

 

Um, no.

It was a gift draw, first off - but even with the official W it wouldn't put him above those guys. Porter is a complete fraud, and was carefully managed to a title and some paydays. Brook exposed him, and that isn't a word I throw around loosely. Porter has no boxing skill. None. Diaz had already exposed it, but it took losing to Brook for everybody to come back down to earth and fully realize it after Porter's smoke-and-mirrors run over Paulie and Devon.

Zaveck and Chaves and Soto Karass would all expose the same exact limitations in Porter - even more easily than Diaz, as none of them would have the usual size disadvantage Porter is used to having to bully opponents with. (Diaz was simply too stubborn, tough and ornery to let him despite having that disadvantage) - they're all big natural welters and wouldn't be intimated by him, and would do more to punish him in return than little old Diaz could.