Floyd Mayweather vs p4p top-10 guys

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  1. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The discussion about the Ring's latest p4p rankings (which are pretty awful) brought something to my attention, since Robert Guerrero was on it and Floyd will likely fight him next.

    A lot of people have said that earlier in his career, Floyd was more of a risk-taker and that he sought to challenge himself, but that after his fight with de la Hoya, he became a cherry-picker and avoided the toughest fights.

    What's interesting about that is that before 2007, Floyd never fought anybody who was on the Ring's (need a measuring stick here) p4p top-10 list at the time he fought them.
    Corrales, Castilllo, Judah and of course de la Hoya were on it at some point in their careers, but not at the moment of their Mayweather fights.

    After de la Hoya (who BTW was rated #15 by the Ring in 2007), he fought Hatton who was #9 or 10, Marquez who was #2 (and even now is at #3), and Mosley who i think was #3.

    Also, everybody he fought in this time span was coming off of a world-class win in which they looked anything between damn good and spectacular.

    So which is it? Has Floyd's choice of opponents really become as 'pathetic' as some would have you believe? Or is it like he says, he's in a no-win situation and no matter who he fights, people will always talk about who he's not fighting??
     
    richie leon, Dec 12, 2012
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  2. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's in a no win situation.
     
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  3. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Corrales was ranked in the top 10 P4P when Mayweather fought him. Anyway, Mayweather is a polarizing figure. He has a lot of fans, and a lot of people that hate his guts. As such, whoever he fights is going to be met with a lot debate on these forums.
     
    Stylez G., Dec 12, 2012
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  4. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Corrales was number 4 when he fought Floyd

    2000

    1. Shane Mosley
    2. Felix Trinidad
    3. Roy Jones Jr.
    4. Oscar De La Hoya
    5. Diego Corrales
    6. Naseem Hamed
    7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    8. Lennox Lewis
    9. Erik Morales
    10. Bernard Hopkins
     
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  5. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've heard ppl say that about Corrales, and i've heard others dispute it. Regardless, that was a terrific win over an undefeated world-class fighter, for which most people give him credit. But was it any better than his wins over, say, De la Hoya, Hatton or Cotto?
     
    richie leon, Dec 12, 2012
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  6. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    How do you figure that?
     
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  7. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, i don't have the actual Ring magazine issue relevant to the issue, so i'll just take you guys' word on that one. Regardless, my point still stands. Mayweather fought more highly rated opposition after 2007 than before and gets less credit for it.
     
    richie leon, Dec 12, 2012
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  8. Manos de Hierro

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    I don't think anybody would complain if Mayweather chose to fight Martinez. Not that he's obligated to.
     
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  9. TheJuggernaut

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    Exactly who would complain about that?
    Or even Alverez/Trout

    He's only in a no win situation because the list of opponets he would actually fight is a shitty list
     
    TheJuggernaut, Dec 12, 2012
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  10. Manos de Hierro

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Top 10 Rated Opponents/Champions

    1998: Genaro Hernandez (World SFW Champion)
    1998: Angel Manfredy (No. 2 SFW)
    2000: Goyo Vargas (No. 10 SFW)
    2001: Diego Corrales (No. 1 SFW)
    2001: Jesus Chavez (No. 4 SFW)
    2002: Jose Luis Castillo (World LW Champion)
    2002: Jose Luis Castillo (No. 1 LW)
    2003: Philip N'Dou (No. 4 SFW) (@135)
    2004: DeMarcus Corley (No. 5 LWW)
    2005: Arturo Gatti (No. 1 LWW)
    2006: Zab Judah (No. 3 WW)
    2006: Carlos Baldomir (World WW Champion)
    2007: Oscar De La Hoya (No. 5 LMW)
    2007: Ricky Hatton (World LWW Champion) (@147)
    2009: Juan M. Marquez (World LW Champion) (@147)
    2010: Shane Mosley (No. 2 WW)
    2011: Victor Ortiz (No. 2 WW)
    2012: Miguel Cotto (No. 1 LMW)

    Overall record: 43-0
    Record vs. Top 10 Opponents: 18-0


    I'd rather he fought Pacquiao than Guerrero in May. Even now.
     
    Manos de Hierro, Dec 12, 2012
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  11. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    it's obvious

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14346085

    I feel and get the point you're trying to make. He can't win. Some people are claiming even now he's gonna duck Pacquiao while those same ppl will turn around and accuse him of waiting too long if he fights him :-(
     
    bballchump11, Dec 12, 2012
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  12. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd's unofficial weight versus Miguel Cotto in a fight @ 154 pounds = 151 pounds

    Manny's unofficial weight versus JMM @ 147 = 151 pounds

    Floyd's bigger than Manny and should fight people @ 160 even though he can't make 154. But Pac's too small for those guys

    :nut

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    bjl12, Dec 12, 2012
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  13. TheJuggernaut

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    Its actually not. There are a number of prople Floyd could fight that in no way would put him in a lose lose situation
     
    TheJuggernaut, Dec 12, 2012
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  14. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    What does manny have anything to do with this *****?

    So Fraud shouldnt fight 154 pounders (dispite you ***s riding his dick for beating Cotto at his "best weight"), but then its ok to fight Guerrero who last year faught at 135 :roll:

    Try again *****
     
    TheJuggernaut, Dec 12, 2012
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  15. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    yeah like Middleweights :lol:
     
    bballchump11, Dec 12, 2012
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