Floyd Mayweather vs. Roberto Duran at welterweight.

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  1. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Montreal Duran might just take care of SRR at 147lbs too!

    The only man i'd confidently favour over Montreal Duran at welter is Hitman Hearns. :bbb
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Were boxing reducible to so few and arbitrary criteria my betting career would have been a lot more successful.

    I'll take the better fighter... and the better boxer. Duran over 12 rounds.
     
  3. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    If Mayweather wasn't active right now and his career ended 30 years ago, I will say for sure that lots more people on here who don't pick him, would.

    If you don't think Mayweather has the speed and ability to give Duran a competitive and tough fight, god help you.
     
  4. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    one thing that isn't being mentioned enough is how Floyd likes to fight in a defensive manner on the INSIDE, where Duran's skills are undeniable and likely the very best of all time. Mayweather has a chance here because he is versatile for me, Floyds ring generalship is fantastic at 147, his positional sense and understanding of what each movement he can potentially take and the implications of what those moements have on the tide of the fight is brilliant.

    I want to take this opportunity to talk about what Floyds style of boxing has become today. His style is to always put pressure on the opponent and never allow thinking time or space. I don't mean he is a 'pressure fighter' in the conentional sense, i.e a marauding fighter. What he does is this, he will go on the back foot, but not usually using excessive lateral movement, and when his opponent advances he counters them, usually with fast pot shots, then pivots in some fashion so as to not lose ground. Then when his opponent loses the will to come forward and backs off to get a rest, both mentally and physically, then Floyd walks forward and tees off with shots (usually single shots) and he sits down on those hard punches, the opponent gets hit wheneer there is an opening and his head is ****ed, he just can't get a break, Floyds style is actually more pressurising today than people like to think in my opinion, he's always doing something, something which affects the pace the fight is being fought at.

    Duran for me is just about as skilled as it gets, and this is not to say that he is better than Floyd, because being better is a term that is ultimately concerned with one thing, and that one thing is effectiveness, but Duran is more SKILLED than Floyd, the reason that I have to go with Duran on an assessment of skills is because of their respective talents in the combination punching department. Floyd now and then throws some combos as we saw against Ortiz, and it's not close between him and Duran as far as the empirical evdence is concerned. And people should always strive to be objective and check out the EMPIRICAL evidence.

    Duran will come out on top whenever this fight goes to the ropes etc, as great as Floyd is defensively there. This fight can go either way though because of Floyds versatility and understandin of what needs to be done in the ring to give him the advantage he needs. The attempts at feinting by Duran along with the pace setting attempts of Floyd will be a purists dream in this one. The right hand leads by both men are going to be amazing and on show in full force

    I edge towards Duran, I'll be honest, but I admire both men on a tremndous level and my posts consistently reflect that, as this one does.
     
  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I doubt that. Most of them probably wouldn't take Napoles over Duran either, and his career ended over 30 years ago and he sure looks just as good as Floyd. Favoritism for past greats exists, fine, but I think its poor to assume that proven quality posters on here are being affected by that.

    As for the fight itself, of course Floyd would be competitive. Lesser fighters than him were competitive with Duran.

    However, if you think Floyd's brilliant displays against his top foes like Castillo and a faded De La Hoya are proof enough that he beats someone on the level of Duran, than not even God can do anything for you, my friend.


    As to the forum sucks now comment, it's targeted more towards the one poster repeating the same things about Duran in multiple threads and using alternate accounts to do so. Trolls and what not.
     
  6. JMP

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    Duran at his best would've been all wrong for Mayweather. Floyd would've looked terribly uncomfortable with the feints, infighting, body punching, and overall offensive/defensive skill of Duran...and eventually, I think he'd be out of his depth as the fight drags on. Different class as far as I'm concerned, as great as Floyd may be.
     
  7. MoneyFloydMay

    MoneyFloydMay New Member Full Member

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    Hearns and Duran were both overrated and lost to Leonard big time!!!! the ghost of Leonard will always haunt those two!!!
     
  8. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Moneyfloydmay, you're kidding, right? An over the hill and fighting over his weight Duran kicked sugargay laniards ass, and yearns also kicked his ass Higgins in their rematch. I think Roberto beats the **** out of Floyd for about ten rss then knocks his gay ass out. But Floyd would NEVER have the balls to fight a prime Duran, no way!
     
  9. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    y ? r u affraid of being exposed online ?
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Ok, so we got people picking Mayweather and using Leonard II and Benitez as examples of fights that Mayweather could replicate.

    This is just stupid, lets look at them.

    Leonard II: Here Leonard uses excessive lateral movement, hardly committs to any stretch of fighting, and even then Duran (who is plainly to see lazy) is still having some sucess with his counters.

    Wheres the relevance to Mayweather here?

    Mayweather at Welterweight hardly ever uses movement like this, read Teeto's description, he's summed up his style perfectly.

    Now the Benitez fight.

    Benitez used clever movement to keep pressure on Duran but also open up escape routes, which, yes, is like Mayweather. However, Benitez did alot more leading than I have seen Mayweather do in years, and it should be noted this wasnt the best version of Duran. So Mayweather can bring some meaning from this fight, IMO he just hasnt shown the ability to stick to a plan of this manner, it aint his style and your not going to beat Duran not fighting your own style it make syou uncomfortable.

    I can see Mayweather keepin that pressure on that Teeto is talking about, but Duran will be swarming himself in with combinations, completly throwing off Mayweathers attempts to counter, and if you factor in Durans defence it is even more prevailent IMO. Then once Duran's in Mayweather has a great inside defence but I can Duran working for space with combo's then firing in some solid counters that will land clean.


    I dont see anyway in which Floyd can win more than 5 rounds.
     
  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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  12. MoneyFloydMay

    MoneyFloydMay New Member Full Member

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    Hearns had great wins but he had great losses too! So did Duran with the exception of great wins except for Leonard!! the real great was leonard who beat both thier asses!!! And Duran beat ray the first time but lost 2 times after that. If it was so dominant he would have beaten him again easily and he did not!! That Leonard win by Duran is overated somehow!!! If you cannot come close to duplicating it in 2 figghts after that then he was not better than Leonard at all! Look at Floyd he struggled with Castillo fight one and won easier 2 fight. Why? He was that great..
     
  13. MoneyFloydMay

    MoneyFloydMay New Member Full Member

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    duran still fougyht well with Benitez but he couldnt do anything with that quality fighter and Floyd is a better fighter than Wilfred Benitez
     
  14. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some1 called d pinoys / "*******s" (Bob Arum employees) .
    There is no way a poll will get reversed so overwhelmingly like it did here .
    Not even in the Classic Forum .
    Poll is not public 2 .

    All facts add together .

    Pinoys have a natural instinct regarding polls with d name Floyd Mayweather . If d question was : " who is worse , pac or Floyd Mayweather " some of them would still vote pac , because it's a poll with an option named "Floyd Mayweather" .
     
  15. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm just curious, frank. What country are you from and what is your profession?