Floyd Mayweather vs "Smaller men"

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  1. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    i took this from another poster in the general forum as i think he makes a good point.

    "This post is gonna **** a lot of haters off, but so what; its grounded in solid logic somethings that Haters seem to have little of. Im curious to see what they have to say.
    Mayweather has been fighting as the smaller man for a while now. He's moved up 5 divisions throughout his career winning titles in all of them. He's a true professional who walks within a 1lb or 2 of his fight night weight.

    In his first castillo fight he weighed 138 to castillo's 147. Against Judah he was 146 on fight night to Judah's 150.
    He weighed 140 on the fight night with Gatti and there's no telling how much weight somebody like Gatti put on seeing as how he once weighed 160 for a fight at 140 which led to a lawsuit. Mayweather only weighed 149 for the Oscar fight, while Osacr weighed 154. It's very reasonable to think that DLH came in as high as 160 on fight night since they refused to release fight night weight.

    Ricky Hatton weighs around 152 on fight night for a Jr. welterweight fight, so its obvious that he was bigger than Mayweather when they fought as well.

    Compare this to the Pacquiao/DLH fight when Pac weighing 148, had a dominant victory over the smaller man, DLH who weighed 147 on fight night. Against Baldomir Mayweather weighed 149 to Baldomir 's 162.

    Pacquiao walks around at 150 which is why he said he felt comfortable fighting at 140 becasue he knows he can cut the weight without feeling drained. So he's actually the same size if not a couple pounds larger than Mayweather. This would be a great fight between two great fighters. So once again, if the fight comes off Mayweather would be fighting a bigger Man. My Hats off to him. A true warrior"
     
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  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    yep, fair points.
     
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  3. dan-b

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    I read this and it's intentionally flawed logic written by a Mayweather shill that doesn't justify Floyd's September mismatch.
     
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  4. curly

    curly Fastest hands in the West Full Member

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    good argument. I've never bought to the "smaller fighters" bull****. ****in look when he took apart chico
     
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  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Weight isn't natural size. The point is Floyd often cherrypicks men from lower weight classes, certainly during his welterweight reign his matchmaking has been abismal.
     
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  6. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I think a lot of it comes from people who want Mayweather to fight Willaims, Margarito and to a lesser extent Cotto.
     
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  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Heaven forbid Floyd fight a real welterweight. Look who he fought since moving to 147.

    Baldomir (okay he was lineal champ after beating Zab)
    Zab Judah...
    Sharmba Mitchell (way past his best)
    Ricky Hatton (at 147 where he previously struggles with Collazo
    Marquez (never fought higher than 135, has to jump up two divisions)

    List of who he doesn't fight:

    Williams
    Margarito
    Cotto
    Mosley


    I mean..its fairly evident what has took place here. Shame, because Mayweather could compete with any of them. It's only this part of his career I object with.
     
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  8. curly

    curly Fastest hands in the West Full Member

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    :think can you give any examples
     
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  9. MattMattMatt

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    This is interesting at first, but then it should dawn on you that the logic is flawed. Bulk does not equal natural size, as TFFP also stated. Height and reach are far more important. Whether he has ducked anyone based on these factors is an endless debate (I don't think he did that much, at least not earlier in his career). I also agree with TFFP regarding the 147 stint, it is not up to par with his earlier resume. Baldomir is the most limited champion I can remember, Zab Judah was beaten in his previous fight by Baldomir! Sharmba was 35 years old and never that great in the first place. Ricky was a good fight, but I wouldn't count that as a legitimate 147er given the challenges that were ignored in favour of this money fight.
     
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  10. dan-b

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    Pimp C (a Mayweather nuthugger) has been saying Shane "has to fight Williams". I wonder if he'll hold his boy to that same criteria. They would like Shane to disappear also as I'm of the firm belief the Shane that beat Margo would take out Floyd also. He wants none of that fight.
     
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  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I actually think Mayweather would beat Cotto, Mosley and especially Margarito. Though theres no point in fighting Margarito now, he had the chance when Margarito was on the crest of a wave after beating Cotto.

    Williams I think would be a real pain in the ass for Mayweather.
     
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  12. LHL

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    :good Agree with that

    Williams
    Mosley
    Cotto

    Thats the way i see the threats of beating him and i think he would edge Shane, beat cotto and Williams would outwork him to a wide UD
     
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  13. dan-b

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    Williams isn't really a welterweight and if he boiled himself down now I'm not sure he would be the same fighter. Cotto is still a very hard fight for Mayweather due to his size and the fact he has a very good jab. Shane's speed and power would also be a problem for Floyd who was tagged regularly and cleanly by Zab Judah. Floyd was offered 8 mil for a Margo fight and bottled it. He wasn't interested in welters then and he certainly isn't interested in them now.
     
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  14. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't make my mind up on this

    He fought the best at Welter when he fought Baldo and then Judah

    Judah was consensus number one, and the fight was as good as done with Floyd, but he lost to Baldo so Floyd beat Baldo THEN Judah

    Can't knock that

    Then he fought Oscar and Hatton, can't blame him for them fights, huge money

    He's not fought the very best all the time but in this era few do unless they HAVE to
     
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  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    He's not fought any of the best fighters that have been at welterweight since he moved there. There is no coincidence.
     
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