Floyd Mayweather Vs Sugar Ray Leonard who wins prime for prime

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  1. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd was injured for the first Castillo match. He clearly won the rematch.
     
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  2. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he did not, at least they were not clear/undisputed victories.
     
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At welterweight, I take it ?

    Leonard by pretty clear decision.
     
  4. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Next your going to tell us how Mayweather would have outboxed Hearns.
    Leonard took on an unbeaten Welterweight who was knocking out pretty much everyone and he BEAT him.
    It was one of the greatest fights and it was a back and forth fight. You leave out the fact that Leonard staggered Learns in the SIXTH round forcing Tommy to box more.
    Leonard is faster then Mayweather and hits way harder then Mayweather.
    Do tell us what legends Mayweather beat at welterweight I'm quite curious to hear the list.
     
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  5. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course he was "injured".
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

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    Alvarez Pac ODH Cotto Zab Corrales Mosley Castillo JMM comes pretty close.
     
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  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ??????

    Now you being unfair. Leonard beat Benitez, Hearns and Duran II without controversy. To this day, opinions on the Hagler-Leonard are rather split, so no robbery.
     
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  8. THE BLADE 2

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    Muhhahaha
     
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  9. scandcb

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    No.

    Alvarez - Overrated and nowhere near his prime.

    ODH - Past his prime and ran Mayeather very close.

    Pac - Past his best and boxed with an injured shoulder.

    Cotto - Past his best and not an all-time great.

    Mosley - Past his prime, but still managed to rock Mayweather.

    JMM - Nowhere near good enough offensively.

    Corrales - Weight-drained and wasn't anything special anyway.

    None of these boxers are in the same league as prime versions of Hearns, Duran and Benitez. Neither are they as formidable as the version of Hagler that SRL faced.
     
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  10. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alvarez is absolutely in the Hearns Hagler league. He was also young but def prime. The Pac was injured excuse is ridiculous. He got owned and is still winning today. Many years later. ODH wasn’t prime but he still looked good. Cotto isn’t an ATG but was def a great fighter and excellent win (think that’s fair). I agree on Corrales but good win (really using a weight drained argument getting desperate) and JMM was an excellent fighter. Should we remind you Duran beat Leonard at his best? Hearns was owning him till he Leonard caught him and that he actually lost to Hagler? See how ridiculous nitpicking can go both ways.
     
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  11. scandcb

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    1. Alvarez isn't in Hearns and Hagler's league, especially when he boxed Mayweather.

    2. Even though it was proven that Pac was injured. And let's not forget that your hero injected himself with an illegal IV before that bout.

    3. ODH looked good because even post-prime he was able to exploit weaknesses in Mayweather's game. Even in his prime ODH wasn't in the same league as Duran, Hearns, etc.

    4. Cotto was a good fighter, nothing more.

    5. Corrales was weight-drained and had tons of personal issues. It's hardly a win worth crowing about.

    6. JMM was another very good boxer, but very limited offensively.

    7. No shame to losing a narrow decision to a prime version of Duran. Mayweather would have done no better against Hearns and actually would have been beaten quite easily. He would not have done enough to get the benefit of the doubt from the judges against Hagler either.

    8. Mayweather is massively overrated.
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

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    Alvarez absolutely is. You people will make any excuses to disparage Mayweathers boxing credentials. May I remind you Mayweather was an old man for a prime Alvarez fight. He was young but fighting title fights for some time at that point let’s not pretend he was a babe in the woods.

    ODH as much as I loved him exploited nothing he got owned. I meant he looked good physically and moved well. Not he performed well.

    The more I look at Cotton record the more I feel you’re putting down an excellent fighter that fought anyone anytime. Has a lot of excellent wins but fell to the May and Pac and was cheated against in the Margarito fight which he avenged. Great fighter and def an argument for the hall.

    forgot to mention Hatton to.

    Stop nitpicking and just admit Floyd was a great fighter. Ridiculous to argue otherwise.
     
  13. scandcb

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    1. Canelo has improved a lot since that bout. He still isn't anything overly special, just the best in a very weak era of boxing.

    2. ODH didn't get owned. It was a close bout that Mayweather just about deserved to win.

    3. He was very good boxer, not a great.

    4. Hatton was a very limited boxer. Struggled to make adjustments.

    5. Mayweather is an all-time great. A solid top 50 all-time, nothing more.
     
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  14. Cobra33

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    Your either very limited in your knowledge of boxing or just plain dumb.

    Alvarez??? The same one who LOST to GGG? And had debatable wins vs Lara?

    ODH???? Didn't he come out of retirement to fight Mayweather and still fought him close? The same ODH who Manny battered a year latter?
    Zab Judha - good fighter with good skills. But didn't Baldomir beat him the same year and Cotto knocked him out the year after May weather?
    Mosley??? Are you kidding me? Your going to sit here and say he was at his best when he fought Mayweather? After Mayweather he went 3-4-1.
    Cotto- thought that was a great win by Mayweather.
    Corrales - great performance by Mayweather at JR LIGHTWEIGHT.
    JMM- great fighter at FEATHERWEIGHT. Welterweight? Give me a break man you know that fight was a joke.
    Castillo? Tough boxer. Good win at LIGHTWEIGHT.
    What did he accomplish at welterweight?
    Hatton - His biggest claim was he beat an inactive KT.
    He was limited and it showed as soon as he met the elites.
    Pac- that fight happened 5 years to late.

    Most of these boxers you named aren't really Welterweights genius. Castillo and Corrales wins were at different weight classes.

    Ray beat AND STOPPED Hearns and Benitez - two unbeaten boxers in their PRIMES.
    Ray made Duran QUIT who went on to win how many titles after the Leonard fight?
    See the difference?
    ODH,Mosley, JMM, did what after Mayweather ?? JMM moved DOWN a weight class. ODH got stopped.
    Mosley went 3-4-1. Pac lost to JEFF HORN.

    Ray Leonard at Welterweight was a monster who had more speed then Mayweather and hit WAY HARDER.
    BENITEZ who is a defensive master got dropped twice and STOPPED by Leonard.
    You wanna see what happens when you play on the ropes with Ray? Check out Leonard vs Price. OUCH.
     
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  15. White Bomber

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    Benitez wasn't prepared 100%.
    Hearns dominated Leonard until he fatigued.
    And Duran also beat Leonard.
    Leonard never beat Hagler.