Floyd Mayweather vs Thomas Hearns - 147

Hearns is just a horrible match for Mayweather stylistically. I honestly think Floyd might actually do better against Hagler, as unbelievable as that may sound, than Tommy Hearns.

 

Floyd would had to have fought in an offensive way in order to have beaten Hearns on a decision.

How would he have done that and won the majority of the rounds?

Hearns had a78” reach, with a great jab.

 

It was Durans super power to always have a fall back for an L.

 

Floyd did have pin point accuracy and great timing.

The issue is, he was only 5’8 with a 72” reach.

That was sufficient against most of his opponents, but it wouldn’t have been against a guy of 6’1 who was a great boxer himself, and who possessed a 78” reach.

You’re looking at their qualities, without envisaging how they’d realistically have matched up stylistically.

Because Floyd wasn’t bigger, with power, this could only ever have been a boxing match. It could never have been a fight. Just a boxing match. A physical game of chess.

Although like you’ve said, Floyd had great timing and accuracy, the problem was, so did Hearns. But Hearns was significantly bigger and longer. That’s the issue here. It would have been a great 5’8 boxer with a 72” reach, boxing a great 6’1 boxer with a 78’ reach. And Floyd would have needed to have got past the jab and fought offensively, in order to have won the majority of the rounds, in order to have won a decision.

Again, I like your passion and you are committed to fighting Floyd’s corner. But you are still yet to give us a breakdown on how you think Floyd could have won a decision.

Floyd relied heavily on his huge reach and his speed.

Floyd’s reach was huge for a man of his size and he also has very long arms.

He had a reach advantage over almost all of his opponents.

I think there were only a handful of fighters, Oscar being one of them, who had a reach advantage over him.

He was also much faster than most of his opposition.

Thomas Hearns would have taken both of those advantages away from him.

In the majority of Floyd’s fights at the higher weights, his M.O. was to out speed and out reach, slower, lesser fighters. But again, Thomas Hearns would have taken those 2 huge advantages away from him.

Tell us how Floyd could have taken him into deep waters and given him giraffe legs like Leonard did.

How exactly?

Based on what?

Leonard did that with pressure and power. And he did that because he’d been outboxed. You say that Ray outboxed and outfought Hearns in their fight. But he didn’t. He tried to outbox him, but he couldn’t find success. Which is why Dundee told him that he was blowing it, and why he changed tactics and fought him instead.

Now Leonard was naturally bigger and stronger than Floyd, with much more power.

For the majority of his fights at WW-JMW, Floyd was a safety first fighter with hand issues.

He did not possess the firepower that Ray Leonard had.

He would not have had a shootout with Thomas Hearns, where he’d have fought him instead of boxing him.

Stop being silly.

This is not Fight Night on the PS4.

You are absolutely deluded if you think that Floyd would have gone after him and overpowered him like Leonard did.

 

Nice to agree with Loudon for a change

 

You still don’t get it.

Look at the guys who knocked out Hearns.

Look at Floyd.

We are not saying that Hearns was unbeatable.

We are saying that Floyd couldn’t have beaten him due to how he’d specifically have matched up with him.

How many posts have you now made?

I’m still yet to see just one of them where you’ve looked at things from Floyd’s perspective, where you’ve looked at how they’d have matched up.

All you’ve done is note that Hearns was knocked out and beaten by elite and and non elite fighters, and that Floyd himself was an elite fighter who was undefeated.

It’s not enough.

You are arguing based on statistics, but NOT on how they’d realistically have matched up together.

What difference does it make if Hearns got knocked out at different weights, to guys like Marvin at MW?

How is that of relevance to us, when we’re looking here at a boxing match, between 2 boxers at WW-JMW?

 

This is the best post of the thread.

Sadly, it’ll be lost on him.

Thomas Hearns was vulnerable to pressure, size, strength and power.

Floyd did not possess those attributes.

He still hasn’t given us a breakdown.

He keeps telling us what Floyd would have done, but he’s still yet to explain how he could have done it.

He’s now telling us that he could have had him on giraffe legs like Leonard did.

Delusions of grandeur.

 

From reading your posts, how on earth did you live through the era and watch the fights?

You’ve told us that Leonard outboxed him.

He didn’t.

Not in 1981.

Yes, Hearns could be extremely vulnerable.

Almost every fighter has a weakness or vulnerabilities against a certain kind of style.

The problem for you is this:

Floyd DID NOT POSSESS the attributes that Hearns was vulnerable to.

Please let us know when this information has been registered.

 

Do you not realise, that his vulnerabilities against other fighters aren’t relevant here??

We are only looking here from the perspective of how Floyd would have seen things.

This is specifically looking at Floyd vs Hearns.

It’s not looking at anything else.

 

You are the guy acting like a moron.


Here is a stone cold FACT for you:

Floyd didn’t possess the attributes that Hearns was vulnerable to.


What do you think of that?


Floyd wasn’t big.

Floyd didn’t possess power.

Floyd would not have overpowered him like Leonard, Hagler and Barkley did.

 

Who the hell has voted for Floyd to have won via a stoppage?

Ha!

Or is that a silly question to ask?

 

Your continued blanket assertion that Floyd 'has no power' and therefore it is a forgone conclusion that he would never beat Hearns is what is most moronic.
Floyd has more KOs on his resume than does SRL, who KOd a prime Hearns...
Again, not saying Floyd would go out there and KO Hearns, but your insistence that he couldn't, and you're continued assertion that he did not have the tools to win against Hearns reeks far more of anti Floyd bias then it does of any real boxing knowledge.

Good day to you

 

Floyd had power at much lighter weights and that's where he got his KOs. At higher weights he was relying on skill, speed and ranginess to outpoint guys. Hearns takes two of those factors away and adds a shitton of explosive power. Hearns could box or brawl and either version of him would have been extremely problematic for Floyd. Hearns' average chin is more than enough to deal with Floyd's low power and potshotting style.

 

I can't believe I paused Escape from Carpathia for this.

 

Stop comparing statistics!

Floyd has more KO’s than Ray Leonard?

So what???

Where’s the context??

Floyd fought more times than Ray did, and he fought in many other divisions.

Your lack of context let’s you down so much it beggars belief.

Right, so Floyd has a bigger knockout percentage on PAPER.


Please answer the following questions:


How many knockouts did Floyd have at WW and JMW??

Did Floyd possess MORE POWER than Ray Leonard at WW and JMW?

Would Floyd have engaged Hearns in a shootout at WW and JMW?


The stats that you have put forward mean absolutely NOTHING.

They aren’t in any way relevant.

We are only looking at Floyd’s attributes at WW and JMW, and how he’d have fared against Hearns there.

That is all you are looking at.

Knockout percentages don’t mean a damn thing.

Knocking out guys when he was younger at the lower weights, from more outings, doesn’t mean that he was a bigger puncher than what Ray was.

You are coming off here like a social media casual fan who’s only just started following the sport.

It’s embarrassing.


Floyd could not and would not have knocked out Hearns at WW and JMW, irrespective of his OVERALL knockout percentage.

He did not possess the power at WW and JMW to have knocked out Hearns.

Have a word with yourself man.

You are deluded.


The fact that you can’t give any of us a realistic breakdown of how Floyd could have beaten him speaks volumes.


I’m not hating on Floyd.

If you were to tell me that you think that Floyd was a better fighter who ranks higher, I would honestly have no issue with that.

I am simply telling you that due to Floyd’s size and his attributes, that Thomas Hearns was probably the worst stylistic match up that Floyd could ever have faced.

Everybody has a style and an opponent that is problematic.

Styles make fights.

Frazier gave Ali hell.

Foreman crushed Frazier.

Ali beat Foreman.


Thomas Hearns was vulnerable to attributes that Floyd DID NOT POSSESS.


He didn’t have the size to have gotten past Hears’ 78” reach in order to have won enough rounds to have gotten a decision win, nor the power to have knocked him out like Leonard and Marvin did.

For the majority of Floyd’s fights at WW and JMW, Floyd was a safety first fighter who had hand issues.