Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by xnico, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:46 AM.
He never ducked Williams or margo that's a myth.
Floyd was. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have beat Canelo. You trying to claim that Mayweather was faded at 36 is silly. As you can see, many people disagree with that. He looked slower vs Cotto and vs Guerrero. He looked better and faster vs Canelo. You can clearly see the difference between the lackluster versions of Mayweather vs the one who fought Canelo. The physique, how ripped he was, the speed difference. Mayweather knew he didn't have to train as hard vs Cotto, Guerrero or Maidana as he had to for Canelo. He brought his B game in those fights and it was enough to win. His B game would not have been enough to beat Canelo. He clearly got himself into the best shape of his life for Canelo and it paid dividends in the ring. He was faster and in better condition vs Canelo than he was in his fights before or after that.
Wrong! He didn't look slower against either Guerrero or cotto. Cottos style is a harder match up for him than canelo. Cotto worked behind a jab kept a great guard went to the body and boxed beautifully at times in that fight. In fact I can't remember a round I think it was around 7 or 8 that pbf was as dominated as he was against cotto where he busted him up and bloodied his nose. I'll never forget that between the rounds they went to pbfs corner and they showed him with a bloody nose and breathing hard the crowd cheered wildly when they saw him on the screen in the arena and pbf smiled at the camera.
Floyd was slower against canelo for 2 reasons 1, he was faded and 2, he was fighting at a higher weight class. Look at how much faster pbf was at the full weight of 154 when he fought oscar in his prime, he was much faster of both hand and foot.
Please. No one thinks that Cotto at that stage was a harder matchup for Floyd than Canelo was. After fighting Mayweather, Cotto proceeded to lose to Austin Trout, who then lost to Canelo.
Cotto in his prime could have beaten Mayweather, but Mayweather waited until Cotto had slowed down, after the wars with Margairto and Pacquiao to fight him.
Cotto busted Floyd up and bloodied his nose. Floyd was sluggish at times vs Cotto. Floyd wasn't as defensively sound or as elusive vs Cotto as he was vs Canelo. Looking at Mayweather side by side vs Cotto / vs Canelo he was slower vs Cotto and the overall performance was much more lackluster vs Cotto than he was vs Canelo. Despite that, the B version of Mayweather beat Cotto much wider than the A version of Mayweather beat Canelo. Scores vs Cotto were 118-110, 117-111 x2. Mayweather landed more power shots on Cotto and a lot less jabs on Cotto than he did vs Canelo. Mayweather had to rely more on the jab vs Canelo, vs Cotto he was able to get in more straight right hands. But because Mayweather didn't work behind the jab as much vs Cotto it gave Cotto more openings allowing Cotto to bust him up and bloody his nose. According to compubox, Canelo was able to land more overall punches on Mayweather than Cotto did. In terms of jabs, Canelo threw 117 more jabs vs Mayweather than Cotto did. And according to punch stats, Canelo landed 14 more jabs than Cotto did. Mayweather was much more reliant on the jab and accurate with the jab vs Canelo than he was vs Cotto, that was the difference.
If we're comparing Floyd's performance vs Cotto vs his performance vs Canelo, it was the same weight class. The catchweight vs Canelo didn't affect Mayweather since he only weighs in at around 150 when fighting at LMW.
Of course, he was much younger then. As he got older though, he made up for that with better punch selection, being more defensively sound, better strategic preparation, better at making mid-fight adjustments, etc. De La Hoya was also a lot more faded when he fought Mayweather than Mayweather was when he fought Canelo.
Lies! Pbf didn't wait for cotto to slow down. Cotto was with top rank, they kept pbf-cotto from happening. Funny as soon as cotto leaves top rank the fight gets made. So much for your pbf waited for cotto to slow down point.
Cotto gave pbf a harder fight than canelo did and pbf beat cotto easier than canelo did as well who went life and death with him . If pbf waited for cotto to slow down as you say, then what was the version of cotto canelo beat?
You're right about that, it couldn't be made with Cotto still at Top Rank. But regardless, Cotto was not the same fighter he was after Margarito and Pacquiao that he was before. My point was simply that at that stage, Cotto in 2012 was not as difficult of an opponent for Floyd than Canelo was in 2013. Pre-prime Canelo was way better than post-prime Cotto, and it showed when they met in 2015.
Canelo went life and death with Cotto? LMAO that's the first time I heard that. Canelo dominated Cotto. Scores were 118-110, 119-109, 117-111. That's wider than Floyd vs Cotto.
Cotto didn't slow down much between 2012-2015. It was the beatings that he sustained vs Pacquiao and Margarito that slowed him down. He didn't take much punishment after that. Both Floyd and Canelo carried post-prime Cotto and both beat him easily. Though the difference was Canelo was never hurt by Cotto and beat him wider on the cards, whereas as you mentioned Floyd was busted up by Cotto and looked sluggish at times.
I don't want to hear anything about cards those cards in cotto-canelo were just as ridiculous as the judge who score pbf-canelo a draw. Cotto-canelo was a close fight. Did the right man win? Yes! But it was much closer than the judges had it.
You don't want to hear anything that doesn't indicate Mayweather superiority. The scorecards for Canelo vs Cotto were accurate as were the scorecards for Mayweather vs Cotto. You saying that Canelo went life or death with Cotto is one of the funniest things I ever heard. Canelo was in total cruise control, it was a master class. Mayweather on the other hand was in a dogfight with Cotto. As you said, Cotto busted Mayweather up, gave him a bloody nose. Cotto didn't bust Canelo up or bloody his nose now did he. Canelo boxed much better vs Cotto than Mayweather did, that's why the judges had it wider.
I said he gave pbf a harder fight than canenlo did and had the most dominant round I've seen someone have against pbf. With that said canelo- cotto was a closer fight than pbf-cotto. Those score cards for cotto-canelo were a cruel joke. I think one judge had it 119-109 giving cotto only 1 round, you're high if you don't think cotto won more than 1 round. Hell another judge said cotto only won 2 rounds. The cards were a disgrace to anyone with an ounce credibility and wants to be taken seriously around here. I remember the outrage after the fight with those score cards.
i got no agenda, and you cant say the same when it comes to floyd. and i know what that was. as a matter of fact, i was trolled cause i said it could turn out like it did. what were you saying about the fight prefight?
I said he would beat him and he did. Paul tried to survive he used his superior size to do just that.
just beat him or did you ever say he would ko him?
Don't remember my exact words I think I said beat his ass
Harder in that he busted Floyd up and bloodied his nose, sure. And Cotto dominated Floyd in one round, absolutely. But there were more close rounds in Canelo Mayweather than there were in Cotto Mayweather. Canelo didn't bust Mayweather up like Cotto did, but he fought him closer on a round by round basis, which made it harder to score. The question is why? The answer is because Canelo at that stage was better than Cotto was at that stage, and that it was a better version of Mayweather in 2013 when he fought Canelo than when he fought Cotto in 2012. And of course Canelo had to deal with the catchweight.
Bro you're starting to sound like GGG fans complaining about every Canelo scorecard. Stop crying over the scorecards. Canelo did better vs Cotto than Mayweather did vs Cotto and Canelo did better vs Mayweather than Cotto did vs Mayweather. (outside of the one round that Cotto dominated Mayweather and how he busted up his nose) Mayweather also fought Cotto at Cotto's best weight 154, whereas he refused to fight Canelo at Canelo's best weight 154. So Canelo was not only at a disadvantage vs Mayweather while Cotto wasn't, but Canelo also fought a better version of Mayweather than Cotto did, and despite all that, he still did better overall. Cotto would not have been able to bust Mayweather up and bloody his nose if he fought the Mayweather who fought Canelo at 152 lbs.
i said his size and strength would be a problem for floyd, and if trained to do specific things, could work him. i believe that even more now. give me 3 months with logan, and he stops floyd. floyd been washed for a spell, been obvious to me since berto. it has no bearing on how good floyd once was, its just the truth about how good floyd is today.