Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by xnico, Jun 8, 2021.
Wasn't green, but he was still a largely one-handed, undeveloped fighter.
23 year old Ali beats 36 year old Ali, and 23 year old Tyson beats 36 year old Tyson.
But 36 year old BHop beats 23 year old BHop.
And 36 year old Lewis beats 23 year old Lewis.
As @Shadow points out, different fighter hit prime at different ages.
It's all relevant. No fighter is prime at 36. Pbf Duran srl srr I could go on and on. The 23 year old versions of those guys beat and were better than the 36 year old versions. My examples couldn't have been more spot on. Also pbf relied on speed and reflexes which were faded by the time he fought canelo. Pbf also had no legs he was more stationary not because he wanted to be but because he had no choice. PBF's last prime fight was in 2009 against jmm after that fight he declined.
Pbf looked so good against canelo because he's a stylistic nightmare for Canelo and can beat him at his own game. He was clearly past his prime and faded against Canelo.
Canelo ranks ahead of Pac? Another coping me
True but doesn't matter with Canelo, he can be in his prime now, he will still lose to the Floyd of 2013. He needs to stop crying and man up to the fact that he failed on the biggest night of his career that he prepared for.
Anyone who knows boxing knows that Canelo has improved HUGE and still gets improving
Hopkins is the exception not the rule he got a late start to his career and was a spartan and didn't really rely on athletic ability he was a craftsman.
Pbf at 23 beats the 36 year old pbf.
Canelo at 23 would beat canelo at 36.
Physical prime yes but seeing as though the sport of boxing has a huge mental component and more so than the physical, then a boxers prime can extend up to the age of 40yo.
Depends on the fighter.
I doubt many people would agree with you that Floyd was "faded" against Canelo. Didn't look faded to me. And if he was faded, then it makes it harder to believe that he won that match with ease as you also claim. For him to beat Canelo easily, which nobody else came close to doing, even back then, Mayweather would have to be at his best, which you say he wasn't that night. Your statements conflict with one another.
I know you're not budging from the Mayweather was old but still beat Canelo easily, who was in his prime at 23, train, this just comes off as you exaggerating everything to make Mayweather look better. You don't have to defend what Mayweather says just because he says it. Mayweather has a massive ego and wants to live vicariously through Canelo.
The judges did not agree that Mayweather won easily. The judges had it close, Canelo had plenty of success, even at 23 showed a lot of poise. Mayweather brought his A game, wasn't faded, still had the hand speed and reflexes to deal with Canelo. Mayweather wasn't a stylistic nightmare for Canelo, I know saying that makes you feel better, and you want to brag about this win, but don't be greedy. Canelo presented all kinds of problems for Mayweather, which Mayweather dealt with that night and gave the performance of his life to squeak out a victory.
A Super Featherweight would beat a Light Middleweight?
If they were the same weight hypothetically.
OK but in the real world, 36 year old LMW Floyd easily beats 23 year old SFW Floyd, right? All that experience and size would be a big factor.
If they were both the same size one 36 one 23 the younger version would beat the older one.
Kostya tszyu was once asked this question who wins between a 35 & 25 version of himself, he said the 35 yo version every time. Physical prime starts to drop off slowly after 32 yo, but the mental side can more than make up for the slide for another 5 years or so, this is fighter dependant. Floyds just full of ****.
He did looked faded where was his lateral movement against a man who dwarfed him in the ring. A prime pbf would've danced around canelo all night long. Like I said earlier pbf was a stylistic nightmare for him because canelo is a defensive counter puncher at his soul. He's not going to beat a better defensive counter puncher at his own game. I dont care about the judges the judge who scored that fight a draw was paid off and was run out if the sport. Canelo has been accused of having favorable scoring in his fights. Your point about the judges doesn't help your argument it actually hurts it.
You mean the same 35 year old version who quit on his stool against Hatton?? So much for mental toughness with age, he's just full of ****. The 23 year old version of Kostya makes the 35 year old version quit.