Floyd Mayweather would own Jake LaMotta and Robinson

Senya,you have lost yourself mate....
How does the criteria i have for de la hoya apply for hagler and monzon? Monzon never lost the big title fights,and hagler only lost one big title fight to leonard.....If you read properly i said de la hoya picked on bigger fighters mainly AND lost the big fights,hagler and monzon combined have only one world title fight loss,and though monzon was a big middle hagler was not,he weighed 157 v duran,and came in 158 many times,thats hardly big...
As for jones,if hes such a great fighter why did he lose back to back fights in his early thirties by ko (against tarver was as good as a clean ko.) against less than stellar opposition? Does that mean when he stepped up against less than cans at lt heavy he lost? Does that take away his previous greatness? (lets not forget the loss to griffin either.) We can spin anything with boxrec or decontextualised stats senya.....

 

Shouldn't the poll be:

Can Mayweather beat Robinson YES/NO?

Can Mayweather beat La Motta YES/NO?

Judging by what I can see currently it's an overwhelming NO to both, which I agree.

 

They have earned their reputation by beating smaller fighters. Hagler also lost the biggest fight of his career.

I read it several times. Is your above statement equal to what you originally said?
He made a career of beating up smaller fighters and losing the big ones....

Jones was 35 when he lost to Tarver the first time, that's hardly "early thirties".
No, against Tarver it wasn't as good as a clean KO, same as it wasn't clean KO either. He got up at the count of nine, and had the fight taken place at the time when LaMotta fought or earlier, Jones would be given a chance to continue. He showed he could recover quickly and fight back in 11th round of the rubber match.
In any case, discussion of Jones is irrelevant to this thread and the questions raised in it.

 

Senya hagler lost the ONE big fight only,de la hoya lost several....What bit of that do you not understand? Do you know the difference between one and several? And monzon NEVER lost ANY big ones...
Hagler was not a big man at middle,de la hoya was huge at 130,135 and big for 140....
As for jones,your nuthugggery of him makes you make every excuse for his losses whilst denigrating others who lost less spectacularly...

Doppleganger,you underestimate this forum,while there are some who worship the old timers,there are many who respect the modern era and just call class when they see it regardless f fthe era...floyd gets quite a lot of respect in this forum,so i dont get your over emotinal points...
By the way,how do you know how good robinson is when no extensive film is available of him at 147? There is film of la motta at 160 to make a judgement on him...
You have your arguement backwards,people say there is no footage of robinson at 147,not that there is no film of lamotta...How can YOU state robinson would beat floyd when YOU have never seen him fight either? (i assume your not 80 either.) You have just made a judgement on how good robinson is without seeing him just the same as you accuse the other posters of doing....Do you see your double standard?
Your post has many holes in it,is highly emotional and irrational.....
You guys want to worship the modern guys then fine,but dont expect knowledgable posters to fall for your baloney....
ps; floyd didnt cut castillo in 24 rounds yet castillo has lost three fights on cuts,what does that say about floyds offensive cutting power? Also lamotta is at least 20 pounds heavier than castillo,do you know what weight classes are for?

 

One aspect of the sport that is forgotten by everyone is the fact that Lamotta and Robinson both trained to fight for 12 rounds in hopes of stretching it to 15. Mayweather trains for 10 rounds and hopes to stretch it to 12. This factor alone would make me believe that LaMotta and Robinson would be better conditioned for Mayweather. None of us know how Mayweather fights after the 12 round and it will never happen in this lifetime, unless the sport goes back to 15 round fights. I think Floyd would probably out-box LaMotta, but would see his own ass on the canvas a couple of times, maybe early in the fight due to LaMotta's pressure. Comparing Floyd and Robinson is intriguing because they're similar in terms of overall skill. The late Eddie Futch gave Mayweather the greatest praise, calling him the best fighter he's seen since Robinson and Charley Burley. I still give Robinson the edge over Mayweather because nobody has come close to having his combination of speed, power and endurance. Floyd's got speed but not as much power as Robinson. We've all seen Floyd go the 12 round distance but not the 15 round distance. That's something that Robinson has over Floyd that can't be put into comparison.

 

Source please, i haven't seen such a comment bandied around before and am definitely interested on verification as Futch has great credibility. A comment like this would carry quite a bit of weight.

 

So he's still gonna lose to Zivic, and gets an ass whupping from Robinson and LaMotta?

 

I honestly can't remember the exact publication but it was a specific edition of the Ring Magazine and KO. Also, in an interview before he died, it was either ESPN 1 or 2. No joke and this is not made up, Futch said that Mayweather was the best prospect he's seen since Robinson and Charley Burley. Eddie Futch also mentioned the skills of Holman Williams compared to Floyd Mayweather.

 

Kevin Iole uses that quote during the 2001 Fighter of the year edition of RING magazine (year-end awards, p4p poll).

 

Mayweather would definately beat LaMotta, but he'd have hard time with Robinson.

 

LOL

Looks like you really called that one wrong.

 

So now that Floyd has defeated the likes of Ricky Hatton we are supposed to be led to believe that he would do the same against those three HOF`ers? Hogwash I say, or rubbish if you prefer, either way it doesn`t change the fact that Floyd would still lose to Robinson and/or LaMotta, although against Zivic he stands a better chance at victory I`ll give you that.

But lets look put this fight into proper perspective shall we... First off, anyone who is an astute follower of boxing should have known as soon as the fight was announced that Ricky was going to lose. He got hurt and stunned badly by Luis Collazo who, lets face it has negligible power at best at 147. Yet he still had Hatton reeling towards the end and nearly put him on ice... after seeing that it was clear to me anyways that Hatton definately did not belong at 147.

Mayweather`s power at 147 is nothing to write home about, yet he was able to hurt him more than once and eventually he dropped and stopped him. So in the end he stopped a fighter who had a six inch reach disadvantage, was shorter than himself and who had no upper body movement to speak of which resulted in Floyd constantly nailing him on the way in with rights crosses and left hooks.

This had a cumulative effect on Hatton, who also clearly looked to be the smaller man between the two. He also kept smothering his own work on the inside by constantly leaning on Mayweather instead of taking a step back and whipping in those hooks downstairs. He fought a stupid fight, was distracted by the referee`s constant interference in the action for the first 5-6 rounds and got frustrated from that, which led him to fight on emotion instead of staying focused and got him stopped in the end.

Now I don`t know about you Senya, but I seriously doubt that, in fact I KNOW that neither Zivic, Robinson or LaMotta would have fought Floyd the same way Hatton did. Zivic for starters was a boxer first and foremost, and a very clever one at that who unlike Hatton would have fought a lot more intelligently. LaMotta on the other hand would have smothered Floyd much the same way as Hatton did, except he would have been punching at Floyd`s arms, elbows, back or anything else he could hit and would have been bullying him, not wrestling him in close quarters.

While doing so he would also have been pushing and bullying the much smaller Mayweather against the ropes and by constantly doing so would have slowed him down considerably by the later rounds. It is one thing to wrestle with a man who is smaller than yourself, it is another thing altogether when dealing with a man twice your size and who has a reputation as very strong fighter like LaMotta was. Jake will get nailed on the way in like Hatton did as Floyd is so damn fast, but it won`t have any effect whatsoever on the iron chinned LaMotta.

And should Floyd break one of his brittle hands on his granite skull which is a distinct possibility here, his chances of hearing the final bell are distinctly nil. As for Ray, like I said in an earlier post on this thread Ray wouldn`t even have to worry about chasing Floyd and stopping him. With his height and reach and own blazing handspeed Ray could just as well sit back and go into the role of the counterpuncher, forcing Floyd to come forward.

Ray could easily keep Floyd at the end of his jab all night long, while throwing in the odd multi-punch combination here and there and especially those wicked right hands to the kidneys which he threw all the time when on the referee`s blind side. But knowing Ray and being the proud fighter that he was there would come a time where he would be actively seeking to KO Mayweather, and I think he would pick up the pace in the later rounds in an attempt to finish him off.

By that time he would have built up such a lead that even if Floyd heard the final bell, he would have been on the receiving end of a lop-sided loss. So to answer your question yes Floyd would clearly lose to both Ray and Jake, and while he would have a much better chance against Zivic it is not blasphemous to say that the little Croat could well have beaten him either. I give credit where it is due and Floyd earned it this weekend, but lets not make this victory into anything more than it really was.

The last time we all saw Ricky at 147 and going by his performance that night it should have been clear as day and a reminder to those who pegged Hatton to win what we really should have expected here. Floyd beat a smaller, less talented fighter than himself, just like he was supposed to. And before anyone attempts to rip out my tongue for saying Hatton is smaller than Floyd, just look at both combatants while they were in the ring and tell me with a straight face that Floyd was the smaller fighter.

 

FLoyd would beat the **** out of Lamotta lol!

You think Lamotta would hit floyd with any of those off balance left hand leads that he caught Robinson with? Get real. Floyd dreams about fighting guys like Lamotta.

You old timer nutthuggers really need to get back to reality.

 

If you live long enough, and this forum's still here, GRP, count on posters saying the same to you about Pretty Boy.