Floyd Mayweather would own Jake LaMotta and Robinson

Go back to the general forum if your gonna come here and add nothing of substance to the disscussion. LaMotta was a walking dead man going into that fight he was so drained from making the weight, and Robinson knew this early on as he felt Jake`s power wasn`t the same it was in their previous bouts and his high workrate was considerably lower as well.

So he elected to stand his ground a lot more and took a few punches here and there to land several of his own, it is not rocket science after all. And you do realise you are taking one of the worst versions of LaMotta captured on film and pitting him against the best you have seen of Floyd, right? Do you honestly believe LaMotta fought like that his entire career?

But then again, you are the same cat you thinks that Ray fought nothing but talentless white guys and even the fellow black fighters he faced were primitive compared to what we have today, which is a laughable comment at best and a downright ignorant one at worst. Ray faced far better opposition during his career than Floyd could ever hope to face, and he did so during his entire career and even when far past his salad days.

I find it amusing that your lot has such conviction in Mayweather`s ability to defeat fighters of yesteryear with one hand tied behind his back, especially since I don`t even believe he would defeat some of the contenders that Ray had fought, nevermind the truly great fighters he did face. I don`t even think that Floyd gets past a Bernard Docusen type who was n beautiful stylist and a terrific boxer-puncher who gave Ray one of his toughest bouts as a welterweight.

Docusen was a very, very good fighter and he gave Ray all he could handle for the first ten rounds before Ray picked up the pace in the later rounds to tilt the fight in his favour. Yet no one ever hears of Docusen even though he was an excellent fighter, and the reason for that is because he was but one of MANY excellent fighters around in that era, and only the true greats of that timeframe stood out above the pack, guys like Ray and Jake and Zivic for example.

Mayweather hasn`t accomplished that as of yet at welter, and until he does it is a slap in the face to those HOF`ers who sought, fought and ultimately defeated the best fighters of their era when Mayweather is placed on a pedestal alongside them even though he has defeated NO ONE in their primes who could be legitimately considered a threat to him at welterweight.

I rate Floyd highly at both the 130-135 pounds weight divisions, but looking at the rest of his resume since moving up to 140 it leaves a lot to be desired frankly. A great fighter he is most definately, but I will need to see a bit more from him as a welterweight before I start mentioning his name alongside some of the ring legends of this great sport.

 

If the manner in which he won doesn't give you any hints on what Floyd would do and how successful he'd be against dirty tactics and bullying, then there's no reason to discuss it any further.

As for Robinson keeping Floyd at the end of his jab all night long. Ha-ha-ha! Think and watch some videos before you speak on this again. Also look up how "huge" advantage Robinson has over Mayweather in reach.

 

Robinson was just in very poor form (weight troubles again), according to next day local report.

Ray, making the third defense of the title he won by beating Tommy Bell in Madison Square Garden in December, 1946, floundered and pawed, missed his target repeatedly, as he fell into one clinch after another for no apparent reason.

 

Excellent post raging bull.
Man these general forum boys and senya dont half talk ****....
I just want to hear these boys talk if mayweather ACTUALLY FIGHTS A GENUINE WELTER THREAT AND GETS BEAT,these posters must have cried when don curry,shane moslely and jones (though all great fighters.) were handed crushing defeats that showed they dont deserve any mention with the top ten atgs.......Pure fanboys.....
I never knew beating hatton was such a big deal,collazo was a few points from joining robinson hey boys?

 

Until you actually research Robinson's welter career or LaMotta's fights on your own, using primary sources, you are no better than those "general forum boys".

 

Primary sources and newspaper articles my ass. John garfield and many others actually saw robinson and la motta live in action at ringside,you seen mayweather,robinson and la motta at ringside? I will pick unbiased astute old school observors over a guy that thinks jones won the third fight with tarver,thinks jones was great technically in the second tarver fight and that jones would beat prime ali...(not to mention you think kessler has one of the greatest jabs of all times,and you think tommy hearns is not a ko puncher at 160.)
ps; no offense to janitor,but he researches the 'primary sources' and old newspapers and comes to conclusions that defy reality...Welter 5 ft 1 inch walcott taking on heavyweights,and unknown middleweights knocking out tim witherspoon in sparring,just to name a few examples....Size matters,just ask the wife.....

 

Robinson would be so open to Mayweather's jab. Even with a size advantage Robinson is getting an education in this fight.

 

If you are a member of boxrec forum, try reading the posts of user $ bill, for example, this one. The man was born in 1910 and saw a lot of fighters live.
Try listening to interviews of Hank Kaplan (you can find audio files via google) when he talks about some modern fighters, and has respect for them too, not being too biased towards old-timers like some people are.
That Eddie Futch comment about Mayweather somebody mentioned here.
Jaclem from boxrec forum thinks Ray Robinson would knock Ray Leonard out early and easily, which you will hardly find many people agree with (I'm leaning toward that opinion as well though).
There are no people who are unbiased, everyone has bias, some more, some less.

 

Of course,we all have bias to some extent,and there is not 100% surety on some of the mythical matchups,but we must at least be able to build a logical stance,have some evidence and state reasons why fighter x could beat fighter y.
I also think we have to get away from thinking our own generation or the boxers we admire are superior,i feel may are childish with mayweather and just excited like little girls that they THINK they are seeing some possible rival for the GOAT,floyd needs to prove he even is a candidate with fights against agts,skills are not the only tangible thing a boxer needs otherwise curry would never have lost to honeyghan,nor forest to mayorga,robinson to la motta etc,etc....
And china hand,you have no bloody case unles you give evidence,you have never proved your assertion that this generation is vastly superior to the old timers....I rest my case with exhibit a,butterbean,the modern nutrition,weight lifting and scientific training has surely made him an atg,wouldnt you say?

 

Logical stance would rely on styles and abilities matchups, and on precedents or lack of them. LaMotta couldn't impose his size very effectively on clever fighters, even when they were considerably smaller than him. John Garfield or Old Fogey or anyone else can express their opinion, but unless they actually give their reasoning using above methods, I'm not ready to take it seriously, but consider that just a subjective opinion which is prone to errors.
I'm not as impressed with Floyd as many people here, not by his performance in this fight, not in some previous fights, but it's all relative. I am about equally critical about him and about old timers.

 

Ok,thats fair enough.
I wonder how la motta gets criticised about not being able to impose his size on smaller fighters when he beat robinson once and i doubt ( in the context of floyd ) if la motta has ever faced as small a fighter as floyd....Robinson was a natural tall welter who moved up as he got bigger,floyd is not a true welter really,is only 5ft 7 or 8 and will never have to move up again...
As to to certain posters being subjective,well i think you and many others are as well...Just showing a semblance of logic does not make one objective.

 

Don't waste your breath with him Bull.

 

BIG DEE HERE= I will not get into this crap by a lunatic as LaMotta would walk right the hell thru anything Mayweather could throw at him and laught at him al the while saying is that all you got boy. Then he would trap him in the corner and beat the little sucker down. LaMotta ain`t Hatton he`s a
f--kin bad ass pure and simple. Robinson as a welterweight would hand Mayweather his ass and his head by the 8th rd Mayweather would be in full retreat to keep from being KOed as his mouth would really **** Robinson off.

 

Short,sweet and to the point big dee....:good
Sometimes i do wonder if its worth debating with certain fellas????