Floyd Mayweather's drug testing demands a welcome sight to USADA's Travis Tygart

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  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    The rule is also no performance enhancement drugs. That is not a guideline.
    To make sure the rule is followed they have to test.
     
  2. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have you any Idea how many times this mob have covered up positive tests for US athletes . Go and have a look at how many yanks went on to win medals at the Olympics only to discover they had tested positive sometime in the two years before.Who would trust these cheats to tell the truth about athletes from other countries.
     
  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cliff Notes, WADA and their French Lab, illegally retrieve Armstrongs unauthorized frozen samples and fake results to sanction him as a doper.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002484371_lance10.html

    GENEVA — Cycling's world governing body criticized world doping authorities and a French sports newspaper for alleging Lance Armstrong, the seven-time Tour de France champion, used performance-enhancing substances six years ago.

    The UCI said yesterday it was still gathering information and had asked the World Anti-Doping Agency and the French laboratory that tested the samples taken from Armstrong in 1999 for more background. It also wanted to know who commissioned the research and who agreed to make it public.

    "How could this be done without the riders' consent?" the UCI statement said.

    The UCI also asked WADA to say if it allowed the results to be disseminated, which the cycling federation says is a "breach of WADA's anti-doping code."

    "We have substantial concerns about the impact of this matter on the integrity of the overall drug-testing regime of the Olympic movement, and in particular the questions it raises over the trustworthiness of some of the sports and political authorities active in the anti-doping fight," the UCI said.
     
  4. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    look, the damn head of the NSAC even stated the testing they use was their standard, but if a fighter wanted different testing, it was up to the two fighters to negotiate, thus contractual


    and, you NEVER saw the NSAC running around trying to nix the negotiations, that they knew full well involved more through drug. they obviously didn't mind


    the rule is no PED's

    their testing method is a guideline and a default that is used unless the fighters contractually agree to use a more thorough method
     
  5. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    do you know lincoln was really black, and clinton is an alien
     
  6. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I agree that the test they use is a guide line. No argument there.


    But the test PBF's camp want is total BS. It will prove nothing that the urine test wouldn't. Please show me where one, one athlete has been busted with this blood test.
     
  7. PikeMc

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    This debate is over. Floyd was right to ask for the tests, pacquiao is either a total moron or a liar. I reckon a liar. The guy has laid out the facts that anyone with any common sense already knew, but from the USADA, who are the authority in the US for drugs testing, you don't get a more conclusive argument.

    Those numpties that still try to give floyd a hard time for this are not worth talking to. They are the proverbial pac nuthuggers. Drugs testing is good for the sport, the more thorough the better. Cycling has been ruined by drugs, so has baseball. Boxing has already ruined its self through corruption, fixing the drugs problem would just be a start.
     
  8. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    sorry if i take the guys who made the drugs to beat tests word over yours


    edit: also, seriously 14 days man, 14 days
     
  9. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    What's wrong with 14 days?


    Oh wait, Arum (the guy who SPEAKS for Pac) stated they never offered 14 days..

    then.. was caught lying about them never offering 14 days.
     
  10. bucktoof

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    Drug testing Shane Mosley is useless and serves no purpose to Floyd. To understand why, ask yourself, what is Floyd's reason for asking for drug tests?

    Answer: To ensure that neither fighter is unfairly enhanced.

    Problem is, it is already proven that Shane Mosley has used steroids in the past. Do the unfair benefits that you gain from steroids just go away after you stop using? No.

    Did Arnold Schwarzenegger lose his muscles after he stopped using roids in his bodybuilding days? No.

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    Relating that information back to the original question of whether steroid gains are retained, the answer would be yes, but with a caveat. A major reason that steroid-induced gains appear to evaporate when the drugs are stopped is that many athletes either lay off all training after a contest or severely cut back on intensity. Inactivity amplifies cortisol’s effect and can cause muscle loss.
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    Conclusion, if Floyd's goal for demanding extra tests is to make sure he's not stepping into the ring fighting someone who is unfairly enhanced, the tests are useless in the case of Mosley. Mosley is probably clean now so he should pass the tests with flying colors, but he's already proven to be unfairly enhanced. Read the articles I just posted. Look at Arnold and other steroid users who quit using yet retain at least some if not most of their strength gains.

    Bottom line, Floyd will have to fight someone who he knows is unfairly enhanced, for less money (Shane), as opposed to Pac, who Floyd only suspects is enhanced (with no proof), for a lot more money.

    Floyd escaped the frying pan only to put himself straight into the fire. Will Floyd do it? Will he man up?
     
  11. eze

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    So basically, you're saying, even if Manny is doping, Floyd should fight him.

    :lol:
     
  12. bucktoof

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    I'm not really talking about Floyd-Pac, per se. I'm talking more about Floyd-Shane. Why would he fight Shane who is proven to be unfairly enhanced (read the articles I posted) even if he's clean now, when he wouldn't fight Pac because he only suspects Pac is unfairly enhanced?

    Follow me?
     
  13. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    well, he would fight pac, as long as he wasn't juicing during the training prior to their fight
     
  14. eze

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    Because that article is slightly off.


    Arnold still would of experienced muscle loss even if he upped his intensity because his body cannot naturally produce the amount of hormones needed to keep that up.

    Same goes for Mosley, who we know, that while he does stay in good shape, does take time off.

    So while he did have some gains, he lost quite a bit of it.

    and considering that when he took this stuff it was nearly 6 and half years ago.

    And mosley has did take a muscle growth PED and EPO.

    Both effects are gone by now.

    Specially considering he's moved down in weight since then.
     
  15. bucktoof

    bucktoof achondroplasiaphobia Full Member

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    I'm not focusing on Floyd-Pac.

    Floyd-Shane is the real topic.

    Floyd wouldn't fight Pac because Floyd thinks (with no proof) that Pac is unfairly enhanced.

    Shane is proven to be unfairly enhanced. The unfair enhancements don't just go away when you stop using. Read the articles I posted. Will Floyd fight someone who is proven to be unfairly enhanced?