Floyd Mayweather's Motion to Dismiss Lawsuit Filed by Manny Pacquiao Denied

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    And there you've nailed the problem.

    Other than with Delahoya, Floyd has always been the biggest star over the past few years.

    And he would like to think he is here, too.

    But the fact is, he's not.

    At best they're on equal terms.

    At worst (for Floyd) Manny edges him in that category.

    So when he attempted to dictate unprecedented conditions without a single shred of evidence, he stalled the fight.


    Which may or may not have been his intention from the start.

    (Subsequent talk of vacations and urges didn't help his case there).



    No there aren't, but Pac is the biggest (or at worst, the co-biggest) star in the sport.

    He's very wealthy.

    And he feels insulted that the matter was even brought up without evidence.
     
  2. DobyZhee

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    anyone here still thinks this case gets dismissed or it gets bogged down?

    takers..anyone. and why?
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    No.

    Most, myself included, rate Floyd as the more skillful of the two, but there's more to winning than boxing skill.

    This would be a 50/50.


    And Floyd's star would shine brighter were he to beat Pac.

    He has earned a bit more, but if he doesn't face Manny, it's a near certainty that Pac's career total will surpass Floyd's.

    And from present economic circumstances of the two men, it's quite likely that $50 M means more to Floyd than Pac.



    Present Pac would be Floyd's biggest victory, and he's said a number of times that he could beat him with or without Pac juicing.

    Pac has the RING #1 spot, and Floyd's unlikely to ever get it without facing him.

    Clearly, Floyd has as much NEED for the fight as Pac has.
     
  4. Concrete

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    Based off the Mayweather vs Mosley blood testing from 24/7.

    The procedure is:

    They wait until training is over to collect the urine sample when they randomly show up. One of the blood testers stays with the fighter until they are able to fill up the cup.

    They give a 2 hour cool down period before the draw blood after training.

    After they blood test a couple times randomly they determine if they need to continue blood testing further meaning its possible to have a cut off date. Which ended up being 18 days for Mayweather-Mosley.

    That last part alone should be good enough since Manny's camp say they are clean. So after getting tested a couple times. As long as there is nothing funny going on with there blood after a couple test, they stop testing.

    The procedure seems as convienient as possible for the boxers. Unless you feel they are in Mayweathers pocket and he will organize it to mess with Manny then I don't see the problem at all. Manny is on record sparring like 15-18 rds for Clottey after being blood tested. He would just have to go through it a couple times and once they see nothing is funny thats it. All Manny would need for extra insurance would be that nobody comes the day of the fight saying that they lost a blood test and need to do one that day. Under that circumstance they should only be able to test after the fight.
     
  5. Concrete

    Concrete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well this is all my opinion vs yours so there is no need to go back and forth over it. I will cover a few things though. Mayweather would have the better odds in vegas I believe.

    And IMO Pac has more to gain by beating Mayweather then Mayweather does by beating Pac. Though they would both gain a lot. There is always the size argument for people to fall back over in there matchup for Pac. Pac was to small would be the common viewpoint if he were to lose. Pac is considerd higher now because Mayweather has been very inactive. If they were both fighting but not fighting each other then Mayweather would probably be held higher. He was strongly considerd back to #1 P4P with one fight over Mosley.

    They both have need for the fight with much to gain on both sides, I think Pac would gain more though then Mayweather if he pulled out the win though.
     
  6. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't you see the figures after the SSM fight ? Jr doesn't make anywhere near what he claims.
     
  7. Tully

    Tully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All of this f*cking with a future president will come back to seriously haunt Floyd.
     
  8. divac

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    :deal:deal:deal:deal:deal:deal:deal:deal:deal:yep
     
  9. divac

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    Bernard Hopkins is the only fighter I can think of that if he were cheating and taking PED's, would have the street smart and know how to turn it against the accuser and ridicule him for even asking for such tests.

    Hopkins from the get go would have shut the whole ordeal of OSDT off, by simply going on a obcenity filled tirade and stating, "Mayweather does'nt dictate what I do. If the commision requires for me to take a PED test, I'll do it, otherwise Mayweather can go **** himself."

    Just about everyone else but Hopkins guilty or not would have been afraid of the media and public backlash for refusing such tests.

    ......and of course, with the ammount of money that was at stake, who'd give a damn that you'd be performing without the PED's.......the time would have simply come to take your beating like a man and cashout.
     
  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Lol, is he not a fighter? As a fighter are his goals not to beat the best and secure his legacy? Does he not fight to make money? Does he want to answer these questions for the rest of his life, about why the fight didn't happen, and why he wouldn't take the tests? Would he not benefit from being a part of arguably the biggest fight of this generation? I mean the reasons to take the tests are pretty clear cut. When compared to the reasons he won't which are "The guy I'm fighting's dad hurt my feelings, now out of spite and pride I just won't take the tests"?<---if your explanation were true, OR he isn't taking them because he's actually trying to hide something, either way there is no comparison in terms of which line of reasoning carries more benefit.
     
  11. punisher

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    Your point?

    As I said before...it's evident there will be no fight without both fighters taking a test.

    YOU asked why he should take the test. That is why...

    If he doesn't do so, he just won't get that fight. We will all move on. It is what it is.
     
  12. cuchulain

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    I don't believe you said anything there that was at odds with anything I said.

    It seems we are in agreement.
     
  13. cuchulain

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    How many times must you be told that all of the aforementioned apply equally to Floyd's scuttling of the fight ?

    Is Floyd not a fighter? As a fighter are his goals not to beat the best and secure his legacy? Does he not fight to make money? (Remember, he calls himself Money Mayweather).

    Does he want to answer these questions for the rest of his life, about why the fight didn't happen, and why he demanded the tests?

    Would he not benefit from being a part of arguably the biggest fight of this generation?







    When compared to the reasons Floyd won't fight Pac which are "My dad (who was butt-hurt at the time 'cause pac nearly killed his fighter) told me he's on A-side meth PEDs and ****.

    All Floyd has to do to make it happen is sign the papers. He can have all the tests he wants after the fight.

    OR, (as most of the big-name boxers who have weighed in, believe) he may be scared of Pac.

    I don't know for certain, but , like Foreman, Duran, Holyfield, Leonard, Delahoya, Hagler, Roy Jones jnr, Tim Bradley, Bernard Hopkins and others have said, I think that

    Floyd fears Pac.
    :deal
     
  14. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Where'd all the ***** lawyers go? Didn't they say this would get tossed last year?
     
  15. leone25

    leone25 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    pac agreed to test. thats why floyd is on vacation :yep