Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr says he's A more complete fighter then Muhammad Ali.

ali never through a ****ing body shot, enough said.so in terms of complete he might have a point.being more of complete fighter then another does not always mean you are the greater fighter.james toney is more complete then bhop, but bhop is a greater fighter i think.

 

Agreed. But also quality of opposition has helped Mayweather (no I'm not saying he's not a good fighter). I'm not talking about him cherry picking or anything, just that Ali's era was so stacked.

 

Good point, you'll always look good fighting lesser fighters.

Still, I'd say that Floyd has a good case at technically being more complete than Ali. He certainly had incredible offense at LW and below, and we all know about his defense. And the ring IQ to tie it all together.

Floyd is nowhere close when it comes to resume though. But that's not the point he was making anyway.

 

I dont see it as a big deal.

Who we consider the GOAT is often a matter of personal preference. Floyd obviously personally favors fighters who have a complete game and very strong defense.

Its actually true that Ali was not a complete fighter and could have been MUCH better defensively.

The only question is do those deficiencies take him out of the top spot considering his accomplishments. Its a fair debate.

Its like in basketball, many basketball fans would NOT consider MJ the best ever IF he was a poor defensive player. As it is, he had no holes in his game, so no one had anything to say.

 

also the resume is tied in with the era. fighters and promoters live in a different world than in the ali era.

 

Floyd should just stfu.

 

Just to put it in perspective, these are some modern fighters I consider All-time greats; Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Bernard Hopkins, etc. These are fighters who have shown a great deal of durability and longevity throughout a 20 year career, and also have great names in their resume. Morales beat a peak Barrera, who beat a peak Hamed. Hopkins is defying logic with how he is dominating fighters in his advanced age. Undoubtedly.

You're asking where does Floyd Mayweather Jr fit in all of that? I believe him to a better fighter than both Barrera and Morales, but his resume doesn't even really stack up to theirs. Great fighters should have that defining fight, and I'm reluctant to say Corrales or Castillo would qualify. Barrera had Morales and Hamed, Morales had Barrera and Pacquiao, and Hopkins has been dominating the likes of Tarver, Trinidad, and Pavlik despite being the underdog in all three match-ups.

Floyd gets by on his consistancy, and he does have good wins in Corrales, Castillo, and Oscar - just not a career defining win. It's not that the names haven't been there - Shane Mosley has been around for so long now, and even if he defeated him today - it'd count for a lot more than any other victory in his career considering what happened with Margarito. Floyd just needs to step up to the mark, and there is no doubt he can prove a lot if not most of what he is saying. Juan Manuel Marquez is right when he says, "talk is cheap".

Muhammad Ali transcended the sport, but he also cleared up the Heavyweight division on three seperate occasions. He has an outstanding resume - one rarely seen at the top level. Even if Floyd is a more complete fighter, and I'm not disputing it, he shouldn't be going on record comparing himself to such an icon and belittling him with rubbish like "He lost to Leon Spinks". Not only did that fight come at the twilight of his career, he avenged the defeat.

Mayweather should just be showing the guy some respect.

 

No :happy

 

SO Basically a defining moment is when a fighter goes life and death with another fighter, like the no defense having mexicans fighter, get off moneys' sack is it his fault he is light years better than his oppisition. Check the facts the people you named ducked floyd, hamed, mosley, thats fact. Floyd made corrales look pedestrian and made castillo look one dimensional and outclassed.

 

fight even half the tough competition Ali fought then we'll see how complete you really are

 

Heavyweights tend to be less complete fighters IMO.

Ali may be less technically sound, but Mayweather still has a long way to go before reaching Ali status in greatness anyway. Ali was an uber-talented heavyweight with a resume a mile long of the who's who of the division for 2 decades.

 

these little arrogant upstarts always say these sort of things

I remember naseem Hamed saying he was a greater fighter then Ali before the Kelly fight

 

I'm not asking him to go life and death. Barrera schooled Hamed and that was his defining victory. Mayweather could had his defining fight at 140lbs against Tzysu. It didn't happen. He could have had it at Welterweight against Mosley. It didn't happen. In fact, forget about having a defining victory, I'd think more of him if he simply cleared up at Welterweight. He entered the division, he should have took steps to make an impact rather than fight Aturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, and Ricky Hatton

You bloody fool. :verysad

Name one truely great fighter Mayweather beat who was in his prime. I don't want to hear excuses or circumstances, the fact is for such awesome ability - he doesn't have a career defining win. Sugar Ray Leonard was a better fighter than Mayweather in my estimation - and he had many career defining wins. I'm not asking Floyd to go back in time and fight Thomas Hearns, but you look at the fighters in the 147lbs and 154lbs division? He decides to fight Lightweight Juan Manuel Marquez. That is a continuation of the choices he has made through the last 4-5 years.

Yes, that's exactly why the fights didn't happen. Mayweather was forced into fights with Gatti and Baldomir - I understand now.

His victory over Corrales was his best performance - but Corrales was a one dimensional fighter. He lost when he stepped up in class more often than not. God bless him. As for Castillo, I felt Mayweather lost the first fight and the second fight is a lot closer than many remember it to be. Castillo was not outclassed.

Are you sticking up for Floyd just because you like him? Genuine question.

 

I personally think Floyd is a more complete boxer than Ali. No dis at all. Ali does have a better resume. Ali's mouth and popularity helped his career big-time. He often backed up his talk. It's too bad the same doesn't apply for Floyd. As far as the mouth goes, Ali's got Mayweather beat. When Ali was active people hated on him just as they do Floyd. It just goes to show that you are not appreciated until you are long gone. Remember guys, Ali called himself the greatest so much that everyone just followed his lead.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B59fLNe6Hfo

"i can fight different ways and Ali couldn't" seems like Floyds going through a similar stage