Because the list is just too long. Simple math it is too overhwelming IMO. The other suspicion is the excellence in holding/clenching + closed sparring. Again it is only one opinion yet you can't argue the timing of his retirements and recent odd behavior.
Absolutely not bashing. Just not fair he gets all this credit without being tested. He needs to fight more than Manny needs testing. There is more probable cause that Floyd avoided dangerous fighters then Pac's success due to PED's
Care to explain your simple math and how it demonstrates that Floyd is to blame for certain fights at WW not happening.
I am actually working on some software with a friend. There is a few algorithms we are devolping that won't be able to show he is to blame but can show he negated the top 17% of active fighters through his entire career. We need Cotto to fight Sergio Martinez or Margarito to and win and it ill be published. Again I can never say he is to blame and I cannot say he would have lost to any one he avoided but he for sure could have retired with a tighter resume savng us all alot of typing lol.
Overrated in what way? No one says Floyd is an all time great welterweight anyway. His best weight class was 130. He resume isnt absolute **** at welter either. He did beat the man in that division twice. His resume at welter is average at best to me.
Cotto and Margo have shown themselves to be very overrated. Mosley was shaky since Wright though he looked great exposing an overrated Margo. Williams hasn't fought at WW since his rematch with Quintana. So the wealth in talent wasn't a weath in talent but a bunch of overhyped fighters. These "super talents" at WW allowed a lightweight to come up and spark there asses. If they were truley so talented there would be no reason for any of these guys to be shot before the age of 29 without accomplishing much but defeating a bunch of B level fighters.
Either way. Lets just say both Floyd and Manny are both bubbles. Lets say they both hypothetically both caught all their opp at WW at the right time. Manny has to have the edge because the way he is doing it so one sided that until somebody catches him and stops his attack we can't think otherwise than him being ridiculous. I also rather have the fighter (manny) who is more likely to take challanges and fights more often. Chances are the bubble is the guy not so willing to fight.
What a load of rubbish - the guys you mentioned were all out there fighting each other while Floyd sat back and avoided them all. He's still only fought 1 of those fighters you mentioned in Mosley, and it was after Mosley had started to decline, as you yourself have implied (shaky since Wright). Overhyped? What are you basing that on? Comparison to Floyd's opposition at WW? Who has Floyd fought at WW that could beat the guys you mentioned? They never "allowed a lightweight to come up and spark there asses" - Pacquiao is a freak, stop trying to downplay his achievements. Using your logic, anyone Floyd has beaten at 135 or above "allowed a super featherweight to come up and spark there asses". No doubt Floyd is a talent, but maybe if he'd been mixing it up with these guys like they were with each other, instead of avoiding them, his record wouldn't be so sparkly clean.
Floyd in not ranked anywhere near the welterweight ATGs. I don't even see many claiming (except *****s) that his resume at WW is better than other WWs like Cotto. Not overrated for me.
If Mayweather was fighting at WW at the time of Mosley, DLH, Forrest, Mayorga then I can agree with you he would probably have a loss going to battle vs all these guys. But not vs the over hyped WW that were around when he retired for 2yrs. Cotto's biggest win is vs a 36 yr old Mosley which many people view as a draw. He has a bunch of B level fighters on his resume (in terms of wins). There is nobody that Cotto defeated at WW or even Jr WW that makes me think he was close to Mayweather's level. People were praising him for beating Jab Judah who he had to low blow a couple times. Plus Arum had Margarito vs Cotto set up already since they are both in his stable. Then after that fight Cotto or Margo would have fought De La Hoya. Mayweather was not in there plans for the yrs he was retired anyway. Cotto sat ringside for Mayweather vs Bruceless and Gatti and stated he wasn't ready for Mayweather after either fight when they were 140 pders. Margo is so talented yet he was the WBO WW champ at 147 since 2001 yet never fought DLH, Mosley, Forrest, Mayorga, Wright, Vargas, Judah, Baldomir, Spinks at either 147 or 154. Oh yea thats right everyone was scared of him, BS. He lost to Paul Williams after Williams had to call him out for while and force him to be his mandatory. He also lost to Dainel Santos. His biggest win is vs an overrated Cotto in which he cheated, and before that his biggest win was vs B level Cintron and Clottey who were just coming up and haven't made any real big splash. He also got TKO'd vs a 37yr old Mosley who Mayweather handled. Mosley is better then Margo in every way yet Mayweather handled him. Mayweather chose Baldomir over Margo because slightly more money, Mayweather and Arum were against each other at that time and Margo was with Top Rank. Baldomir defeated Judah and Gatti just like Mayweather did building his name. Baldomir didn't lose a fight at WW in 8-10yrs 19 fights. While Margo lost to Santos 3 fights prior. Mayweather fighting DLH at 154 is better then anything Cotto or Margo ever done in there careers. Margo couldn't even beat Santos at 154. DLH at 154 that yr under Roach beats both of them. You guys talk about Mayweathers WW resume but conveniently dismiss that he fought the WBC champ at 154 and don't even give him credit for that. He can't even get credit for beating a 43-0 Hatton because after Mayweather beat him we realized he was overrated as well. The only threat that Mayweather had of losing to any of those guys was if his hands and body broke down forcing him to fight with one hand and Margo had the plaster in his gloves to punish him. These guys were over hyped with lies started by the hype man Arum and not real threats. Mayweather was calling out Mosley in 2005, yet he was scared of Cotto and Margarito who didn't accomplish anything?
Man, talk about revisionist history... Well, Baldomir was going the distance with everybody at that point in his career, due to the fact that he had an all-universe chin, especially at welterweight. He was also on an 18 fight undefeated streak, and had, as stated before, spanked Judah and Gatti earlier that year. He was the champion at the weight. And he'd earned it by beating a champion that everyone considered to be resurgent at that point. Floyd was going to have to fight him, or the guy he beat him to earn the championship at 147lbs. He fought him, defeated him by a margin that was wider than a lot of people thought, and became welterweight champion. And if he did absolutely nothing else at the weight, no one would be able to take that away from him.
lol you *******s are funny, Zab got KO'd by Tszu but then became the undisputed champ then he lost to Baldomir and then Mayweather schooled them both....do your homework