FLOYD: No one can tell me that Ali & Sugar Ray Robinson were greater than me..VID

This is just a proof how stupid he must be. First of all he is no way near that level. He´s not good enough to carry their bags, also heard he thought he was better than SRL. Well remember what happened to his father, the same thing would have happened to Mayweather jr. He is stupid and he is a joke in many ways.
Just to say this a couple of weeks bewfore the fight is not wise, remember what happened to Larry Holmes when he fought Spinks, a couple of days before the fight he said something stupid about MArcianos record, and he was robbed of the win, that´s why I think Mayweather is stupid to say this, then if he really thinks he is better than Ali in his prime or SRR or SRL, then, well, no need to say anything. Poor guy, Manny will whoop him bad.

 

Ray Robinson was a narcissistic, woman-beating, jerk just like Floyd.

He beat his wife Edna Mae so bad that their son, Ray Jr, said it caused her to have 5 miscarriages.

Greatest fighter ever? Probably, but SRR was far from humble, he was extremely arrogant, and his own kids have openly talked about how horrible and violent he was to his own family.

 

"Best combination I ever saw my father throw was on my mother." Ray,Jr.

 

Disagree with Floyd but it's the right attitude.

 

He doesn't come close to Ali or SRR. Floyd, does like to squawk though. I think SRL or Hearns, Duran would have defeated Floyd personally.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson, would KO Floyd

 

You know it's really a flawed argument when people bring up floyds resume.

The eras of fighters are different now. How many ATG's have actual been campaigning since Mayweather became a champion in 1998? Off the top of my head, I only count 4 true ATG's in Jones, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. This isn't the 1930's to the 1970's when there could be up to 10 ATG's actively fighting at the same time. It's the present day of boxing, and unfortunately the talent pool is diluted primarily due to the fact that boxing just isn't a mainstream, popular sport it was back in the early 1900's into the 1980's.

Mosley, DLH, Cotto, JMM and the likes are all top notch fighters, sure-fire 1st ballot HOF'ers, but are any of them really ATG's??

My point is how can you knock the guy when he's taken on pretty much everyone there was to fight from 130 lbs to now? WHat fighters out there did he not fight for one reason or another were ATG fighters that could enhance his resume?

No offense to Margarito or Paul WIlliams, but neither of them are HOF fighters, in Margs case he's a coward and a true embarassment to the sport and Paul WIlliams while being a very fun fighter to watch, I saw got clearly outboxed on 3 different occassions by Quintana, Lara and Martinez, guys who i don't believe are better boxers than Mayweather.

So who exactly could FLoyd have fought in his career that would give him mention with the likes of Ray Robinson, Harry Greb and Henry Armstrong?

he could've fought Hamed at a CW, Casmayor and Frietas at 135, Kostya who IMO is the only real great fighter who he missed out on fighting on, Paul WIlliams and Tony Margarito at 147 and maybe Lara at 154?

Say he fought and beat all those guys, would it matter? None of them are ATG's, so he's never really going to get his due credit, regardless of who he fights.

 

SRL would clean out the current WW division.

 

Very well put.

 

Like Enigma said, Floyd doesn't have the benefit of having a Hearns, or a Duran in his era like Leonard did, or a Foreman or a Frazier, like Ali did.

The only other guy at WW who I would consider elite is Pacquiao.

 

He would have got a ton of credit had he fought the majority of,the guys you listed when they were at their best ..What keeps Oscar Delahoya in these convos yet having so many losses ? Its because he dared to be great unlike Floyd who chose rewards over risk this is why he gets scrutinized so much ..And it doesn't help matters when he calls himself TBE yet has never tried to prove that ..He is just comfortable with the way he wins and so because he is undefeated all of a sudden it's a recipe for greatness these days!


He is an exceptional boxer but to put him in the same sentence as the likes of Ali and Robinson is a slap in the face to those two great champions who would fight you anywhere at any time !

 

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Good post.

I agree with all of it, and again I don't mind him saying he thinks he's better. But there was no need to for him to question the Foreman fight etc. That's my issue. I don't care about his ego and his supreme confidence. It's the poor logic and the disrespect. But in the video clip, they say that Floyd brought it up, and he wasn't answering a question. So I believe he's purposely said it to get a rise out of people. I hope so anyway.

 

I'm not going to go into your second paragraph into much detail, but I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Robinson didn't face ALL challengers. There were some fighters at his best weightclass- Welterweight- where it looked like he didn't have any interest in fighting them. I'll leave it at that. He was also a guy who would threaten to cancel fights on MULTIPLE occasions if he didn't get all the concessions he wanted. He would sign a contract, and than add extra stipulations leading into the fight (i.e. extra cash) and if they weren't met, he'd threaten to cancel the match. If you think FLoyd's a shrewd businessman, than you don't know the story of SUgar Ray Robinson.

Secondly, it wouldn't have mattered who FLoyd fought, he would never get his just due and be recognized as a top 10 fighter even if he wiped the floor with everyone from 130-154. And let's be honest, who did he really not fight? It's not like he was taking on tomato cans this whole time. He has wins over about 10 HOF fighters and around over 25 title fights he's been in? It's not like he's routinely taking on guys outside of the top 10 or something ridiculous like that. These aren't Rod Salkas he's fighting.

There's no ATG fighters for him to fight. Like I mentioned before, only 4 I can think of are Jones, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Now he's fighting Manny. What other great, HOF bound fighters who could be considered a borderline ATG has he avoided?

I know his fighting style isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he's fighting in his 4th and 5th weightclasses. You can't expect him to exchange in the same manner he used to back when he campaigned between 130-140. He wasn't a knockout artist at those weightclasses, so why anyone assumes he'll just trade in the pocket against much larger men and go for the KO's is baffling to say the least.

Pep is widely considered a top 5-10 ATG. He never ventured north of the FW division, he was a longstanding dominant champion at that weight class. I'm pretty sure he carried around a 25% KO percentage on his resume. I don't see people calling him a boring, defensive-first style fighter. Rather I hear people refer to him as a master pugilist and arguably one fo the greatest defensive fighters of all time. It's a silly double standard.

DOn't get me wrong, Mayweather is a ***** outside of the ring. but inside? He's one of the most talented fighters in the history of the sport, no doubt.

 

I don't consider Pacquiao elite. He was KO'd by Marquez, and lost a close decision to Bradley, that everyone cried about because it was the beloved Pacman.

 

Mayweather ducked Khan for Maidana and almost got beat. No way is he greater than Ali or SRR, I rate the fab four higher too.