Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

It doesn’t matter. It’s how they’d have matched up. It’s only logical to think that a younger, fresher Oscar would have caused him more issues.

The version Floyd fought was faded and had been inactive. Yet it was still a close fight for 9 rounds.

 

Oscar is who he is a guy who never really had a high ring iq and always faded even in his prime against the best. He would've done the same against pbf as well.

 

Pac because his resume is deeper, that's it, that's the only reason. Pac has more ATG's and HOF'ers on his resume, even with the losses, that's gotta count for something. Floyd is clearly better h2h, and would IMO beat Pac 10/10 but that doesn't mean he's "greater".

I'd say if Pac ranks #10 ATG, Floyd would be #11. If Pac is #17, Floyd is #18. they're both close

 

Size is irrelevant pac beat and dominated guys bigger than pbf. Pbf did the same beat and dominated guys bigger himself

 

How is Floyd clearly better H2H?

We had a well-preserved, far closer to his prime Floyd who had used illegal IV fluids to mask PED use versus Pac who was brutally iced 3 years earlier in the twilight of his career, thought we'd never see in the ring again, and who had changed up his style.



Not to mention Pac landed the harder and more significant blows while Floyd clinched at every single opportunity (even diving at Pac's waist just because he got close) and landed mostly jabs.

 

They actually fought. The fight wasn't close.................We're not even revisiting this.

 

So you just ignore all of the circumstances of the fight as if none of it mattered? That's like saying Clenelo is H2H better than Kovalev or Joshua is H2H better than Wlad.

 

@northpaw

Clenelo and Kovalev actually fought.

Wlad and Joshua actually fought.

So according to you, Clenelo and Joshua are H2H better than Kovalev and Wlad.

Sorry, you come off as really stupid with this.

 

Update 3/14/22: ** and *** are used to denote Duran's admitted use of PEDs as referenced on post 125 of this thread.

*The ratings are approximated using annual ratings from The Ring prior to each fight and taking into account what the opponent did leading up to the fight but after the annual ratings were made (i.e. Hatton beat Collazo). Feel free to offer corrections.

Here are the numbers:
A. Top guy in the divison beaten (excluding themselves in rankings):
a. Duran: 5 (Buchannan 72, De Jesus 74, Lampkin 75, De Jesus 78, Leonard 80)
b. Mayweather: 8 (Genaro 98, Corrales 2001, Castillo I 2002, Castillo II 2002, Baldomir 2006, Cotto 2012, Alvarez 2013, Pacquiao 2015)
c. Pacquiao: 4 (Barrera I 2003, Barrera II 2007, Marquez II 2008, Hatton 2009)
B. Top 2-5 guys beaten (excluding themselves in rankings)
a. Duran: 5** ( Viruet 77, Viruet 78**, Moore 83, Barkley 89, Palomino)
b. Mayweather: 8 (Manfredy 98, Gatti 04, Mitchell 04, Judah 2006, Hatton 2007, Mosley 2010, Ortiz 2011, Guererro 2013)
c. Pacquiao: 11 (Sasakul 98, Ledwaba 2001, Morales II 2006, Morales III 2006, Diaz 2008, Cotto 2009, Clottey 2010, Mosley 2011, Bradley II 2014, Bradley III 2016, Thurman 2018)
C. Top 6-10 guys beaten:
a. Duran: None, at a glance.
b Mayweather: 5 (Chavez 2001, Corley 2004, DLH 2007, Maidana I 2014, Maidana II 2014)
c. Pacquiao: 2 (Vargas 2016, Matthysse 2017)
D: Top 5 guys moving up or down in weight immediately before fight:
a. Duran: 4 (Kobayashi 71, Brooks 78 Castro 97 Bizarro)
b. Mayweather: 1 (Marquez 2009)
c. Pacquiao: 3 (Marquez 2011, DLH 2008, Algieri 2014)
E. Loses between age 18 and 38 (when Maywetaher effectively retired)
a. Duran 8 (De Jesus 72, Leonard 80***, Benitez 82, Laing 82, Hagler 83, Hearns 84, Sims 86, Leonard 89)
b. Mayweather: 0
C. Pacquiao: 6 (Sangsurat 99, Morales 2005, Bradley 2012, Marquez 2012,Mayweather 2015, Horn 2017)

Mayweather and Pacquaio dominate the first two categories, which are most important, whereas Duran only came out in front for most losses. Duran categorically has a worse resume.

Attempts to lionize Duran are generally based on treating his win over Leonard as the Holy Grail while ignoring that he quit in the rematch and managed 8 total loses, as shown above, in what should have been relevant points in his career. This, generally speaking, is done while downplaying that Mayweather moved up to his fifth weightclass to outclass an undefeated unified champ and heir apparent to the next generation at age 36 and followed it by outclassing the pfp best other than himself at age 38, two feats only accomplished by Floyd. Similarly, it is done while downplaying that Pacquiao's rise from jr. fly to welter is unheard of and likely will never be repeated.

Late additions:
Half of famers beaten:
Duran: 4 (Leonard, Buchanan, Palomino, Cuevas)
Mayweather: 7 (Marquez, Oscar, Cotto, Gatti, Mosley, and Pac+Canelo are locks)
Pacquiao: 6 (Marquez, Oscar, Morales, Barrera, Mosley, Cotto)

Suffice to say, guys like Hatton andBradley may still get in.

Lineal championships won:
Duran: 1 (135, 147)
Mayweather: 5 (130, 135, 147 in 06 and 2010, 154)
Pacquiao: 5 (112, 126,130, 140, 147 in 2016)

Records against reigning lineal champions:
Duran: 2-2 (W Buchanan, Leonard; L Hagler, Hearns)
Mayweather: 3-0 (W Hernandez,Baldomir, Mosley)
Pacquiao: 3-1 ( W Sasakul, Barrera,Hatton; L Mayweather)

 

The bigger fighter has an advantage even though it can be overcome. Doesnt mean the advantage isnt there. Yea Pac beat and dominated fighters bigger than Floyd and moved up like 10 divisions and was fighter of the decade when they were both in their primes.

 

Yeah fighter of the decade with a loss to a faded erik Morales and going life and death with jmm and another dubious draw against sanchez he got fighter of the decade because pbf retired for 18 months had that not happened he would not have gotten it.

 

Wasn’t Ricardo Mayorga a fifth removed from being undisputed champ at welter? Wasn’t he also WBC champ at 154 and rated top 3 in the division when Oscar beat him also wasn’t that Floyd first fight at 154?

wasn’t Trout unbeaten and rated #1 at 154? Wasn’t he the WBA titlist since Floyd was campaigning at both 154&47? Wasn’t Canelo told to duck trout because he would be a hard fight?


Didn’t manny beat Rios, Bradley, and Algeri directly before facing Floyd? Wasn’t he rated #2 at welter behind only Floyd himself? Wasn’t he also top 3 p4p? Make it make sense?

If you want you can’t discredit ever fighter in history fact of the matter is when Floyd faced Oscar you can’t name a better opponent at 154 or 147, when Floyd fought Manny you can’t name a better opponent at 147, when Floyd fought Canelo you can’t name a better opponent at 154 or 147?

 

Possibly. But he’d have had a better chance.

I bet he’ll never forgive himself for his tactics in the Tito fight.

 

Ha!

Stop digging the hole any deeper.

I’m not discrediting Floyd, I’ve merely pointed out that you’ll just type out whatever you want.


This is just desperate.

Trying to big up Mayorga and Trout etc.


Why don’t you just think before you post your replies.

You typed something out which simply wasn’t true.


Floyd is one of the greatest fighters of all time.

There’s no need for you to fabricate things.