Floyd Patterson Appreciation Thread

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  1. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Poor Floyd appeared to be a life long sufferer of what is known as Persecutory Anxiety.

    Deep seated feelings of not being worthwhile or loveable but trying to convince himself all the while that he was. A never ending mental arm wrestle between conflicting thoughts and feelings.

    A very deep, sensitive and intelligent man but definitely his own worst and unjust critic. Not to be too cornball, but there are thoughts and sentiments in the song VINCENT (Van Gogh) by Don McClean that could just as easily be applied to Floyd.
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Just wanted to add my 2 cents about the song. It's my favorite rapper, Tupac Shakur's favorite song and was played for him in the hospital after he'd been shot, and upon hearing it, he temporarily regained consciousness.
     
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  3. Pugguy

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    Thanks for sharing - I didn’t know that. Music can be a powerful thing.
     
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  4. Journeyman92

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    Suppose we have that in common. Neat.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    From Floyd Patterson: The Fighting Life of Boxing's Invisible Champion.

    "It was all over in two minutes, nine seconds - just three seconds longer than the Chicago fight had taken.

    "Patterson again left boxing experts scratching their heads. "He made no use of those skills he had," commented columnist Melvin Durslag of the Philadelphia Inquirer, "and gave a performance that was scandalously unsatisfactory." Even more critical was matchmaker Tedy Brenner, who Was a true believer in Floyd back in the early days. in Patterson's dressing room that night, Brenner unloaded: "Any man on that card tonight- from welterweight up -could have taken Patterson. The man just doesn't know how to fight anymore.

    "This time there would be no clandestine escape from Patterson after his failure in the ring. Floyd appeared married at the press conference at eleven the next morning. He appeared to be still addled from the previous evening's beating as he uttered sentences that confounded the assembled reporters. There was generally agreement in the room that Floyd shout not postpone retirement."
     
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  6. Pugguy

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    Short HD clip, 1964, Floyd KO’ing 6’3”, 213 lb Charley Powell in round 6.

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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    "I thought he was finished. But like a ghost, he keeps coming back. It's something to see him still going like he is. He came back after Johansson, he came back after Liston, he came back after Quarry, he came back after me. Now he's in the lights of Madison Square Garden again. He still says "Clay." But I can't get mad at him he's so nice...he's the only one who can get away with it."

    The above means the world given the "Uncle Tom" stuff surrounding the first fight.
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    True. Although Ali also mellowed a bit with time. And Patterson didn't seem like much of a threat anymore, so probably didn't merit the full Ali Treatment.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Have to disagree with you completely here. Ali had Manila ahead of him, perhaps the most grotesque, awful assault he ever perpetrated against another fighter. To his own detriment.
     
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  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Upon reflection, I agree with you.

    I think Manila strengthens the other point I made about people he considered a rival. He didn't believe Frazier was a threat in the ring anymore, but Frazier took his championship and luster away from him. So Ali went after him.

    Patterson? Eh. Ali beat him. Yesterday's man. Ali can afford to be nice.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Maybe.

    I just think he genuinely admired him.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

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    Well, I don't discount that either. Both could be at play. Floyd was a genuinely admirable man.
     
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  13. Journeyman92

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    Wrong again, he was relentlessly kind and broke you down with a dangerous combination of manners, thoughtfulness and a charming sort of intelligent often tactical inoffensiveness. @janitor fits the mould I imagine if Patterson was a never a champion boxer and only a fan he'd just Jan. Just less capable of butchering me in a medieval duel preferably.
     
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  14. Fergy

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    Great post fella.
    Floyd was one of the first heavyweight s I was drawn to, probably cos he was different. Something about his vulnerability yet still being the first man to regain the title, his was definitely a different story.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 Full Member

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    You and many are more well read then me in boxing history. Would you be so kind do answer this important question for me? Is it true Ali was dragged out of bed and away from two hookers before Manila? Or is it just a rumour that I want to be canon.
     
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