Floyd Patterson 'Chickened Out To Fight Cleveland Williams'

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    March 1964

    The New York State Boxing Commission and Independent Promotions
    attempted to put together an Elimination Tournament.

    The fighters,
    #1 Doug Jones
    #2 Floyd Patterson
    #3 Ernie Terrell
    #4 Cleveland Williams
    #5 Eddie Machen

    The 'first' proposal had Doug Jones getting a 'first round bye'.

    And Floyd Patterson was slated to fight Cleveland Williams in a
    12-Round Elimination bout.

    Ernie Terrell and Eddie Machen were also to fight.

    The contracts, designated that all fighters would receive $75,000
    each, and would appear on a Nationally Televised bout.

    All the 'participants' agreed, but suddenly Floyd Patterson got 'cold feet',
    though the organizers claimed he 'chickened out' because he didn't want
    to fight Cleveland Williams.

    After agreeing to be part of a 'press conference' promoting the tournament,
    Floyd returned to Sweden, to perform boxing exhibitions at $2500 a pop.

    Floyd had been in Stockholm, Sweden in January 1964, when he received $65,000
    to fight {and easily defeat by TKO 8} Italian Heavyweight Champion - Santo Amonti.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Patterson was next in line for the winner of Ali-Liston II, and may even have suplanted Liston as the next opponent for Ali had the second fight with Liston fallen through due to Liston's persona non grata status. He would be vindicated when he became Ali's second defence in 1965.

    He would have been insane to get involved with a tournament that contractually obliged him to meet some of the best fighters in the world to obtain status he had all but secured as well as tying him up for sometime.

    Had he got involved the two possible outcomes were

    a) miss out on a shot at Ali because he lost

    b) miss out on a shot at Ali because he was contractual oblilged to meet lesser fighters who were not the champion of the world.

    In short, it makes absolutely no sense from any point of view you care to name. Still, he stayed busy going 5-0 even tossing in wins over world class operators Machen and Chuvalo.
     
  3. Senor Pepe'

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    Mc G,

    Al Bolan, Independent Promoter tried to get Madison Square Garden to
    sponsor a Heavyweight Championship bout between Floyd and Doug Jones
    for June 1964.

    Floyd wanted to by-pass Cleveland Williams, and get rewarded for a
    title shot by virtue of his victory over Santo Amonti (Italian Heavyweight)
    in January 1964.

    Ernie Terrell was the one going around calling Floyd a 'chicken'.
     
  4. highguard

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    floyd never wanted anything to do with williams
     
  5. Senor Pepe'

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    Correct,

    Floyd wanted to 'participate' in the 5-Man Elimination Tournament, but
    he wanted to choose his opponent, which was 'not' the 'Big Cat'.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

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    :clap: Here, here.

    Although, I must admit, cowardly Patterson is about as chicken as anyone who fought Ingo three times, Liston twice, Ali twice, Quarry twice, Moore, Bonavena, Chuvalo and Ellis. As far as guys that faced them, I'd say he's definitely among the yellowest of the bellies.
     
  7. Senor Pepe'

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    Actually, it was 'Big Ernie' Terrell that called Floyd 'a chicken'.

    As for Floyd's position at the time of the Sonny Liston - Cassius Clay bout in February 1964 -

    Floyd was dropped to #7, and he was 'not' next in-line.

    Had Sonny won (which was not going to happen) he was obligated to fight Eddie Machen next.

    And, Doug Jones was on the 'on-deck circle'.
     
  8. McGrain

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    He was next in line - he was next to fight for the title in the real world, whatever the paper rankings say.

    Patterson fought a ledger of HW's as impressive as any in his era including a pair of the greatest punchers of that or any other era. Painting him as chicken - whether that's you or Ernie - is patently ridiculous and Patterson's tactics in title-hunting were absolutely vindicated by reality whatever your magazines say.
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    Mc G,

    Floyd Patterson was 'absolutely not' next in-line for the winner of the Sonny Liston vs. Cassius Clay
    bout in February 1964.

    If Sonny had won, there wouldn't have been a boxing commission in the world that would have approved
    of a Sonny Liston vs. Floyd Patterson III bout, let alone a boxing promoter to put up the 'cash'.

    At the time of the Championship Fight in February 1964 - Eddie Machen was next, followed by Doug Jones.

    As a matter of fact, Harry Markson was trying to put together an Elimination bout between Eddie Machen and
    Tony Alongi (promoted by Chris Dundee), but Alongi was having problems with his right elbow and required
    rest, and could not compete.
     
  10. McGrain

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    He absolutely was because he was absolutely was

    25/6/1965 Muhammad Ali KO1 Sonny Liston

    22/11/1965 Muhammad Ali TKO12 Floyd Patterson

    You are saying that something that happened doesn't prove that something was going to happen :lol:

    And I didn't say the first fight, i said the second.
     
  11. mcvey

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    The voice of pragmatical sanity.:good
     
  12. mcvey

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    Floyd has a damn good record ,after he lost the title he went in with all styles of opponents.

    Williams was high risk ,little reward.
    Boxing is a business, but some think its just about glory,and making a legacy ,when it's really about £££$$$ and always has, and will be.
     
  13. Senor Pepe'

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    Floyd 'pulled out' of the 1964 'proposed tournament'.

    That is a fact,,,,,,, a 'printed fact'.

    Floyd agreed to enter the New York State Athletic Commission '5-man tournament'.

    Then 'chickened out' when he learned he was lined up to face Cleveland Williams.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Yeah, he did, and as i've already explained to you, Patterson was treading water (if you can call beating up two world class talents whislt going 5-0 treading water) whilst waiting for a possible title shot against Ali, either instead of Liston or should Ali beat Liston.

    It's not hard to understand.