Floyd Patterson 'Chickened Out To Fight Cleveland Williams'

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  1. mcvey

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    Personally I would be very loathe to call any professional fighter chicken, especially one such as Patterson, who proved his heart many, many times.
     
  2. Senor Pepe'

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    Nobody ever called Floyd Patterson 'a chicken', and he was not.

    But, he 'chickened out' in fighting Cleveland Williams.

    September 1964 Ring Magazine (reporting information from May 1964).

    Floyd and his manager/promoter Al Bolan, tried to conspire a 'back-room deal'
    to fight Doug Jones for the 'vacant' NYSAC Heavyweight Championship, while
    trying to block out Ernie Terrell, Cleveland Williams and Eddie Machen.

    Dan Florio (Floyd's trainer), 'If we can't get Doug Jones, we have an offer to
    go to Sweden and fight Eddie Machen for the 'vacant' Championship. And
    Floyd may even move to Sweden, where he is well liked and respected. We
    can defend the Championship from Stockholm, it makes no difference to
    Floyd.'

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  3. mcvey

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    If you state he chickened out ,you are inferring he was chicken,there can be no other conclusion.
    I have that magazine.
     
  4. he grant

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    I don't know the story but Williams , fast starting, large, powerful and hard punching, would have been a very bad stylistic match up for Patterson.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Top of the, "who needs him club".:good
     
  6. Senor Pepe'

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    Everybody loved Floyd,,,,,,,

    But even Floyd said, 'a loss to Williams will end my career, as I can
    ill afford another knockout loss'.

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  7. Longhhorn71

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    Williams would have had little respect for Patterson at that stage (1964).

    They would have had to reinforce the Sam Houston Coliseum ring floor to handle Floyd bouncing off of it.
     
  8. Senor Pepe'

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    LH71,,,,,,,,,,,

    Can you say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,'Ricochet Rabbit'

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  9. Senor Pepe'

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    May 1964

    'Floyd Patterson to pull out of 5-man NYSAC Heavyweight Tournament'

    Floyd Patterson, who signed a contract to fight to be a participant in
    a 'special heavyweight tournament' has decided not to enter the elimination round.

    Floyd feels that he is the 'name fighter' in the tournament, and that as a Former 2-Time
    Champion he should be awarded a 'first round bye'.

    Al Bolan, Manager/Advisor, 'We feel that Floyd and Doug Jones should
    fight for the vacant NYSAC Championship in Madison Square Garden. And the other
    fighters (Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell and Eddie Machen) should fight a round-robin
    eliminator, to deterime the next challenger.'

    'It makes no sense for Floyd to fight an 'Eliminator' for $75,000. We can get nearly the
    same amount fighting in Sweden, and against who we want.'

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  10. Senor Pepe'

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    Tuesday - April 7, 1964

    'The 'Big Cat' is waiting to use his 'big paws' on Floyd.

    30 year-old Houston Heavyweight - Cleveland 'Big Cat' Williams (213 lbs.) won a 'one-sided'
    Unanimous 10-Round Decision over 'Los Angeles Ernie' Tommy Fields (192 lbs.)

    The 6' 3' Williams utilized his 80" reach and powerful left hand to repeatedly rock the 6' 1"
    Los Angeles Heavyweight backwards. Williams had his opponent in trouble several times
    throughout the 10-Round bout, but the 'cagey' Fields was able to shake free and use
    good defensive skills to hold off the 'Big Cat'.

    Cleveland improves to 59-5-1. Tommy Fields drops to 16-11-3.

    Cleveland Williams, 'I have to stay busy while I'm waiting for Floyd. I haven't fought in
    6-Months, and I have to stay active to be sharp. It took me about 5 Rounds to warm-up
    to get going, but Tommy was smart, and kept moving and would not trade with me.'

    'I honestly don't understand Floyd, first he signs to fight, then he goes to his training
    camp in Harriman, New York and hides out. I wish he would let me know if he's going to fight or not.'
     
  11. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Williams had the mental edge in 1964 but I wouldn't necessarily count on Williams walking through Floyd.

    Patterson himself possessed enough power to turn the trick on the "Big Cat".
     
  12. johnmaff36

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    There is a world of difference between 'chickening' out of a fight, and choosing not to fight someone
     
  13. TED 822

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    Good point I think.The "large" for me is significant.Dont think Floyd would have been even a big cruiserweight in todays day and age,whereas Williams big for that era.Eddie Machen must have been a great fighter,not much bigger than Floyd and drew with Williams,but didnt do as well as him with some.Also lost to him.Interesting.Dont think Floyd in any way a coward.People were saying Liston unbeatable,etc.etc.A big "unbeatable" heavy against a lightheavy.Would have more chance against Williams IMO.
     
  14. Senor Pepe'

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    Harry Markson, Madison Square Garden

    May 1964

    Floyd completely and totally screwed up the tournament. It was important for him to be
    involved, as boxing as a whole would benefit from his participation.

    Even if he lost in the 'first round', he still has enough talent to make it back. A loss
    would not end his career, depsite what Al Bolan thinks.

    He agreed to all the requirements in the contract, and then complained when he drew
    Cleveland Williams. Then we re-shuffled, and he didn't want to fight Ernie Terrell. He
    only wanted to fight Doug Jones for the Champinship. We can't let him dictate the
    rules, that is why the other fighters dislike him.

    Now I find out, that all along while he said he would particpate in the '5-Man Tournament',
    he was negotiating with the promoter in Sweden into setting up an International Heavyweight
    Championship.

    The current rankings list,
    #1...Doug Jones
    #2...Ernie Terrell
    #3...Zora Folley
    #4...Eddie Machen
    #5...George Chuvalo
    #6...Cleveland Williams
    #7...Floyd Patterson
    #8...Tony Alongi
     
  15. bodhi

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    Williams. Never did anything of note but would beat ATGs. Only on ESB.