Floyd Patterson..."I am a Coward"

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  1. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unlike other members of the New Journalism group (Norman Mailer, Hunter S. Thompson), Talese didn’t put himself at the heart of his essays, rather he saw himself as a non-judgmental writer, who allowed each subject to speak for him / her self. Nowhere was this more true than in “The Loser”, his incredible profile of boxer Floyd Paterson, which included a shocking admission by the former World Champion:
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  2. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gay Talese on Floyd Patterson:
    Patterson, his trunks and sweat pants on, bent over to tie his shoelaces, and then, from a bureau drawer, took out a T-shirt across which was printed The Deauville. He has several T-shirts bearing the same name. He takes good care of them. They are souvenirs from the high point of his life. They are from the Deauville Hotel in Miami Beach, which is where he trained for the third Ingemar Johansson match in March of 1961.
    Never was Floyd Patterson more popular, more admired than during that winter. He had visited President Kennedy; he had been given a $25,000 jeweled crown by his manager; his greatness was conceded by sportswriters — and nobody had any idea that Patterson, secretly, was in possession of a false mustache and dark glasses that he intended to wear out of Miami Beach should he lose the third fight to Johansson.
    It was after the being knocked out by Johansson in their first fight that Patterson, deep in depression, hiding in humiliation for months in a remote Connecticut lodge, decided he could not face the public again if he lost. So he bought false whiskers and a mustache, and planned to wear them out of his dressing room after a defeat. He had also planned, in leaving his dressing room, to linger momentarily within the crowd and perhaps complain out loud about the fight. Then he would slip undiscovered through the night and into a waiting automobile.
    Although there proved to be no need to bring the disguise into the second or third Johansson fights, or into a subsequent bout in Toronto against an obscure heavyweight named Tom McNeeley, Patterson brought it anyway; and, after the first Liston fight, he not only wore it during his forty-eight-hour automobile ride from Chicago to New York, but he also wore it while in an airliner bound for Spain.
    "As I got onto the plane, you'd never have recognized me," he said. "I had on this beard, mustache, glasses, and hat — and I also limped, to make myself look older. I was alone. I didn't care what plane I boarded; I just looked ip and saw this sign at the terminal reading 'Madrid,' and so I got on that flight after buying a ticket.
    "When I got to Madrid I registered at a hotel under the name 'Aaron Watson.' I stayed in Madrid about four or five days. In the daytime I wandered around to the poorer sections of the city, limping, looking at people, and the people stared back at me and must have thought I was crazy because I was moving so slow and looked the way I did. I ate food in my hotel room. Although once I went to a restaurant and ordered soup. I hate soup. But I thought it was what old people would order. So I ate it. And, after a week of this, I began to actually think I was somebody else. I began to believe it. ... And it is nice, every once in a while, being somebody else. ..."
    Patterson would not elaborate on how he managed to register under a name that did not correspond to his passport; he merely explained, "With money, you can do anything."
    Now, walking slowly around the room, his black silk robe over his sweat clothes,
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    He stopped. He stood very still in the middle of the room, thinking about what he had just said, probably wondering if he should have said it.
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  3. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Damn. Really?
     
  4. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    The mind of a woman is easier to understand than a fighters.
     
  5. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What drives extraordinary men cannot be ordinary.
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Patterson was as introspective, self critical and honest man that this sport has ever known..but he was definitely not a coward.
     
  7. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not a coward. He got blown away by Liston the first time around, and hop right into the rematch.

    He was a brave fighter.
     
  8. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Floyd was always too hard on himself....
     
  9. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A coward (which Floyd Patterson was NOT) will sometimes beat the blood out of you...
     
  10. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Then he again he did pretty much plan to lose and he did not have any self belief. He even brought a disguise for him to the fight so he can sneak out of the arena undetected
     
  11. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    spud1, shake, and red cobra....their responses are what I was getting at with posting Floyd's words.

    The Fighter's mind.....WOW. Freud would need so much cocaine and need to sit down on this one.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Pq6RmpgaA&hd=1[/ame]


    I also found it interesting that Patterson and Tyson were both picked up and managed by Cus D'Amato...and D'Amato had the Psychology thing going for him.

    Both Patterson and Tyson were also considered "Small" Heavyweights for their era. So again, what they had to overcome...maybe that fear forced them to fight like a crazed animal that was forced into a corner and forced to fight for his life.

    Floyd could have easily been a LH in his era and in my opinion, gone down as an ATG LH..even though in a way, I still feel he is an P4P ATG.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Thats interesting because after the fight Sonny Liston said Patterson " had fear in him but he wasnt no coward".

    Floyd Patterson was knocked down more than any heavyweight champion but he also got up more than any heavyweight champion.
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was just honest about having the same feelings most fighters lie about having. Of course most great ones channel it effectively.

    "Who was genuinely fearless?" may be a better question, or who came closest to not having fear, if you're looking for a good debate on the matter. Greb, Tunney, Loughran and Braddock have been suggested as prospective answers to this one (at least among those who weren't bat**** insane).
     
  14. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe that most of d time , both Valuev and McCall were afraid of destroying their opponents more than d necessary .
     
  15. MadcapMaxie

    MadcapMaxie Guest

    Floyd wasn't a coward just way too self critical, majority/all boxers feel fear but usually lie or don't talk about feeling it. Mike Tyson said he was always very scared before going into a fight. Like he used to tell Mike, Cus probably would've told Patterson the story of the hero and the coward, they both felt fear just that the hero did what needed to be done despite being afraid, the coward did not.