Love the bit at 2:24 when he does does a neat little twirl along the ropes after thoroughly despatching someone on the deck the knockdowns at 2:28 and 2:37 made me wince aswell - brutal Patterson was a fine champion in the ring and one of the undisputed kings outside the ropes too - a more admirable man you'd be hard pressed to find anywhere in history - probably one of the most truly well liked champions in recent American history I'd guess - well done Rez - never a fighter more deserving of such a good tribute :good
It is a shame about the liston fights and what a terrible pounding his rep took from those losses. Just a bad stylstic match up...
:rofl:rofl Thanks a lot guys! I also think Patterson is a bit underestimated when you think of all the ATG's. I'm glad I was able to reinforce that image of his great boxing abilities, its the best compliment I can receive. He happens to be another one of those fighters whose lasting image is those of his last few fights, which doesn't do the man justice.
Yes, Patterson was for me more than just a fighter. He carried himself and conducted himself in more dignified, CHAMPIONLIKE (if there's such a word) manner than all but a handful of fighters of history. I always have to calculate all that into the overall equation when considering Patterson.
He's been my hero since my sports-loving dad started talking him up in 1959 when I was barely six. He and my uncle went to the fairgrounds in May 59 here in Indy to see Patterson-London. He woke me up in 62 to tell me Liston had knocked Floyd out in the first and I cried like a baby. Just think if he had carried a little bit more of a killer instinct (but I guess we wouldn't love him as much if he had) Instead of 0-2-1 he could have easily gone 3-0-0 in that Quarry-Quarry-Ellis trifecta
I saw those three fights and killer instinct or not Floyd won those three fights IMO..but I agree with you that a bit of that circa 1960 killer instinct and intensity would have done Floyd some good.
Hey Red! :good The Quarry fights? California rules (not necessarily bad) doomed Floyd. In the first fight, down 4-0 after two rounds, he chews up Quarry in rounds 3-8 going (strangely) passive in the last two letting Jerry salvage that majority draw. The tournament rematch? Two flash knockdowns in the second and fourth (Patterson wasn't even hurt) cost him the fight. I hate to say this but Floyd's non-attack style cost him in many fights. (it took him 23 rounds to dispose of Roy Harris & Brian London??? geez...atsch) That Ellis scrap still sticks in my craw! I saw it alone in 68 on Wide World of Sports that September (college football) Saturday as a 15 yr. old. My buddy and I bet $5 on the fight and he wouldn't take my money afterwards. But as the years have passed with repeated viewings (about 30 or so now) I see it as much closer than I used to precisely because of the aforementioned Floyd 'passivity'. A lot of the middle rounds seem now to be nothing more than glorified 'sparring sessions'. Floyd never pressed the action and he should have. The old cliche says you have to take the fight to the champion. But, that being said, I always offer up this analysis (remember referee Harold Valen was the ONLY scorer of the fight) IMO: Ellis clearly won rounds 1,3, and 15 (tho Floyd wasn't seriously hurt at the end as some have said) Patterson clearly won rounds 4,6,13 & 14. That would leave 8 round(s) 2,5,7,8,9,10,11,& 12 to score. How could Valen give that a 6-2 Ellis? I have a pic of the fight in the ring immediately after the decision. Ellis's face looks like its been thru a meat grinder and Patterson is unmarked. Doesn't that HAVE to count for something? my $0.02
Yea Patterson's weakness was his warrior mentality, which he lacked. It's hard to believe when you see him fighting Ingemar gritting his teeth as he lands deadly combo's, but from a fight to fight basis he just didn't have it. Reading about Floyd, he was actually an extremely shy person who lacked more confidence than the average prize fighter. It was his personality. Kind of funny when you think about it.....Cus got the two polar opposites in his training career. The extreme timid and The extremely ruthless Cus trained Tysons mind to become a warrior in the ring, but maybe he over did it, after his experiences with Floyd? lol, it's and interesting topic.
It's interesting that of all of Floyd's knockdowns (except Bonavena which may have been a slip and Ali dropping him to one knee in the 1st fight and the flash tap in the Quarry rematch) I believe all of them happened in the 1st three rounds. In other words, if you want to get to Floyd you'de better get to him early. Often a little jittery in the opening rounds, he usually had his 'game face' on by the fourth or fifth round and became more gritty and determined at that point. (remember Chavalo hammering him with head shots in their 10th round) I remember a fighter once saying something to the effect of: "Towards the end of the fight, I had gotten to the point where my opponent's punches no longer hurt me like they did early on"