Floyd Patterson lucky to retain title against Johansson

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Claus Holmen, Sep 27, 2014.


  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I thought maybe the count was quick - or Ingo was up in time ? - and there was a rabbit punch in there somewhere.
    But haven't watched it for a while, so might be mistaken.

    I've always said, in response to common statements that Ingo 'got lucky' in the first fight, and didn't beat 'the real, prepared' Patterson, that maybe so but it's even more true that Patterson never faced the 'real' Ingo again.
    The Ingo of 1960 and after was a mere shadow of the man who beat Machen and Patterson in '58 and '59, I believe.
     
  2. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Come on ForemanJab, that's simply BS!
    He fought who Cus wanted him to fight; IMO he may have held title serve against Folley, Machen, and...Williams as well in the late fifties.
    paper champ? No, a HOF fighter! Name a former HW champ who was actually BETTER after losing the title?
    Back to thread.
    While Floyd did look a tad complacent in the 3rd Ingo scrap, those who know Patterson know this. He said he NEVER wanted to have the anger he had going into the second Ingo fight and?...he never did which probably led to his lackluster 1st round in the 3rd scrap. A poster said he was 'behind' on the cards at the time of the stoppage? Beg to differ. While I'll agree that Ingo was bloated (his fault), Floyd was seriously body banging in rounds 2-5, and winning the rounds.
    Two interesting side notes:

    I just thought of this about 5 years ago.
    After beating Moore, Floyd (Cus!) basically had Patterson defending about once a year (Harris, London) but after the London fight here in Indy (granted London not a real challenge, but it went 11 thanks to Floyd's passivity) he fought the 1st Ingo fight roughly 40 days later!?
    And...the ol' trivia question which all fans on board here know the answer to (given there was only one champion per division at the time)
    Who's the ONLY fighter to fight for the Heavyweight Championship between May 59-Mar 66 besides Floyd-Ingo-Sonny-Muhammad?
     
  3. Rock0052

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    Ingo went Hollywood, and that's always the death knell of a Heavyweight Champ. Can't knock 'em for living it up while you can and enjoying the perks of the trade, but it's a recipe for disaster that's bound to bite you in the ass sooner or later in the ring.
     
  4. Claus Holmen

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    You´re so wrong. When Liston took the title from Patterson, Ingemar wanted Liston for the first defence in Sweden. It was expected that Patterson would step aside - and you can wonder why he did´nt.
    Years later - 1966 - Liston was to box in Denmark on his Danish manager and agent, Mogens Palle´s shows - but due to his criminal background he could´nt get a work permit in Denmark. It was the Swedes who got the plessure. Now Mogens Palle opened for a Liston-Johansson fight. Johansson liked the numbers he was offered. He lived in tax-exile in Switzerland and if the fight could be arrranged in Copenhagen he could avoid the Swedish tax. He gave it a try in the gymn - but soon found out that there was nothing left in the tank.
    In interviews Johansson always admitted he was scared once in his career - that when he himself believed he was overmatched against Eddie Machen.
    He found Floyd Patterson to be very arrogant before their first fight and really wanted to punish and hurt him. He fought him with anger - not fear.
    He never again found either anger or fear of opponents. And as you know he and Floyd later became very good freinds.
     
  5. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Close. His hands touched down at 20:20 on my video, and it looks as if part of the glove was still down at 20:30. I can't fault the ref for stopping it. It appears to be a true 10-second count.

    Fact is that was a rough tough fight. Both guys took a fair amount of brutal punishing blows. I disagree with the assertion that Johansson lost owing to condition. He seemed very strong in the 6th and had Floyd stalling and boxing. But Floyd always did have those explosive moments. Bottom line is both guys were dishers but not necessarily the best takers ever.
     
  6. timmers612

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    Had Floyd followed Cuz's designs he would have avoided Sonny at least until later and paper champion would have had some merit, but beating Ingo who had taken Eddie out in 1 and was undefeated gave some teeth to his having been champion.
     
  7. Woller

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    I have tried several times to time the knock down with a stopwatch. Ingo was down just a bit over 10 seconds.
    For a world heavyweight title fight it was terrible.
     
  8. Claus Holmen

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    I agree - but it is the referee´s 10 count and not the actual real-time.
    Don King wanted Tyson vs. Douglas declared a no-contest because Douglas was down for 11 seconds in round 8.
    Slow or fast counts - if the fighter is up at 9 - he is´nt to be counted out.