Floyd Patterson - P4P...

Patterson is not one of those stone age fighters, he's somewhere in between the current standard and the old, so he's capable of course H2H and has a punch like you said.

He's not as fast as Jones, no way. I'll take that he has a better punch, but I don't think it'll matter.

I take Jones on his superior timing, speed, delivery and style. Even if it came down to pot shotting, I think he'd TKO Patterson and wouldn't have much to worry about.

 

Patterson would melt Jones.

 

You seem a think a pot-shotting TKO is a very highly probable outcome in a lot of fights, don't you? I'm not even sure it's possible, if Jones couldn't even do it to someone like Lucas for 9 rounds, if not for a cut. If not someone like that too effectively, then how someone like Patterson, or worse, Hagler? Hagler?!atsch

Also, Patterson at LHW was extremely fast, not quite as fast as Jones, but very very fast.

 

Patterson certainly moved inside quicker than fighters like James Toney or Bernard Hopkins. He hit massively harder as well.

 

Extremelly under-rated fighter,defo an ATG and one of the true nice guys of boxing...

 

Jones has always had a flaw of going to the ropes when pressed. Even Pazienza did it in the 2nd round of their fight. Jones had the legs to avoid it, but doesn't always do so. Maybe he thinking,"Get that close if you want to. As soon as you take breather, I'm really going to show you something." It's hard not to be confident when your hands are that fast. Especially when you can put so much heat on a shot from nowhere. I thought Jones' legs were gone in his fight against Johnson, but they were very much under him in his 3rd fight with Tarver. Jones impressed me with what he still possessed physically in his 3rd fight with Tarver. His confidence was what was missing.

Anyway. Patterson would have been on him, to say the least. His hands would be faster than anyone Jones would have experienced from a fighter that large. Jones has always been too willing to go to the ropes. I have a feeling this would be a 2, maybe 3, round beat down.

 

How can you say guys at Patterson's weight would stop him when no one his weight ever came CLOSE.
l could possibly see a Charles, Tunney, or perhaps a HJohnson dec. loss at 175 but that's about it. I think Floyd would wax the big Lt. Heavy sluggers.

However this whole discussion really has no basis IMHO. Patterson could have never stayed at 175. He continued to slowly grow into the natural 188 lb. machine that was just about his prime weight. Having to continually attempt to come in at 175 after full maturity would have drained him.

 

One of his trainers once said they had to make sure he was eating enough, otherwise "we'd soon have a middleweight on our hands !"

Maybe by the mid-60s, Patterson would grow too big, but I really think he was a guy who could have made 175 for years.

It's mostly speculation though.

 

Imagining, for argument's sake, that he could have stayed at 175, and matured and peaked there, I think it's fair to say he definitely would have been one of the great light-heavyweights.

Head-to-head, at the same weight, I dont think many light-heavies would have beaten him. Ezzard Charles MAYBE.
Tunney would beat Floyd if they fought at 185, but at 175 Tunney wasn't quite as complete, and he needed to move up to be at his best.

Tommy Gibbons and to a large extent Billy Conn proved they could take fast powerful punches from ATG 190-200 pounders, so Patterson would have to box those two I figure and they might have enough to beat him.

Regardless of speculation over his chances against 175 pounders if he were to stay at that weight, I think Patterson's credentials as a POUND-FOR-POUND great are very strong.

 

Patterson would rank very highly p4p had he stayed at light heavy I feel he would have been regarded as one of the true greats possibly top five at that weight.

 

hes a two time lineal heavyweight champ, how many natural light heavies can say this.

 

Floyd Patterson generally beat some bigger fighters than Rocky Marciano beat, and KO'd some fighters more cleanly than Rocky did.
I thought Patterson was a bit more impressive against Moore than Rocky was.

He also beat a very good puncher in Ingemar Johansson.
But Patterson never gets even half as much credit as Marciano, IMO.