Floyd Patterson V Oleksandr Usyk??

Your back going at anytime is bad enough but in a ring, in a boxing match and against Muhammad Ali no less?

That’s a nightmare.

Even the one KD scored during the fight appeared to be more about accumulated punishment and Floyd simply letting himself fall to gain some respite.

 

This is almost comical. Usyk by stoppage.

 

It didn't really affect much at all, he was hitting air the first 2 rounds and even if his back was fine, the fight would've looked the same as the one we got.

 

Who on earth voted for Patterson hahaha

 

Everyone, shut up. I am in no mood for this today.

 

Yes.

 

I also don't think Usyk is half as good as this forum depicts. This same guy who would go untouched against Lis

All due respect DJ I don’t think theirs a man who lived who beats Liston and loses to Patterson.

Liston is a top 5 H2H heavyweight imho. Patterson (my third favourite heavyweight by the way) comes nowhere near close.

It’s also quite a bit puzzling that you rank Usyk over Liston H2H overall while also picking Usyk to lose against a guy Liston demolished twice with ease inside a round

 

I sometimes write about how the results of top boxing & HW match ups are less deterministic than people tend to think.
Either how quickly it ends, &/or that it is less sure than people think-using how many out of 10 is often more useful.

However, there are times when the outcome is very likely to be one way or the other.
This is one of them.

Also I say that above a certain size the difference in punching power & advantages are diminishing.
Also Patterson had trouble with great power & intimidation in the form of Liston, & Usyk does not offer this.
HOWEVER: this is an instance where is is very unlikely that Patterson will win.

Size is not everything. But when the biggest fit weight you ever bulked up to was not far in the 190's, & your wingspan is less than your dubiously listed 6' height, AND your opponent has a top shelf chin who throws more punches than you, also highly skilled defensively...

There is not a large chance of Patterson winning.

Think of it this way: Patterson is no more than the size of an average rehydrated LHW for some decades now.
Joshua & Usyk are closer in size than Patterson & Usyk, especially in reach.
It makes more sense to compare Patterson to what he would be fighting at today than him against the elite HWs.
Even if skills have not improved unlike most every sport-HW is just not the same thing, even technically, even though it is the same NAME.
He also did not have the frame to fight well bigger-but the question is who he actually was anyway.

Patterson is not gonna KO Usyk, nor outwork & out land him.
He was somewhat smaller than most of the CWs Usyk beat before he moved up-asking him to beat someone at least prime Ali's size is unfair.

 

Patterson wins with superior speed & superior combination punch. Fast pace.

Usyk is becoming rated high here like he is Muhammad Ali or something?

 

A helluva lot of context needs to be added here.

Firstly Wlad's domination of the division was well and truly over. Tyson Fury beat him by comfortable decision a year and a half before Joshua did and it was obvious age had caught up with him and his best was gone.

Secondly Joshua didn't exactly beat the brakes off him given he was dropped, in big trouble and the fight was reasonably close per most scorecards.

Thirdly he was not only coming off the loss to Fury but also hadn't fought for a year and a half whereas prior to that he'd been fighting about every 6 months for years. These two factors are quite considerable.

Putting such weight in that fight is akin to thrust ing up Tyson's win over a similarly positioned Larry Holmes except Tyson did actually beat the brakes off him.

It was a fine win at his career stage absolutely but given people still disparage Fury's win over Wlad it's pretty hard to put Joshua's win way high up on a pedestal.

 

Lucky Patterson sported 71" then, i guess that seals it.

 

You have me convinced. I'm sure that Vlad Klitschko would have been completely destroyed by the sub 200 pound, 6ft tall Patterson. What was a thinking?

I think Patterson walks right through Klitschko's and Joshua who were just big guys with no talent at all. Patterson's chin would hold up against these two because they don't hit anywhere near as hard as the small dudes from the early 60's. While we're at it, he will school Uysk with his skillset that Uysk never saw in his 350 fight amateur career. Patterson will fight his first southpaw and beat with ease.

There you go buddy. Is that what you needed for context. I seriously wish I would just get ****ing banned at this point.

 

None of that has anything whatsoever to do with what i posted, and posted politely and matter of factly i must add.

There's no need to throw the toys out of the pram and have a meltdown just because someone had the sheer audacity to quote you. You do that a bit tho. Take a deep breath, it's just a boxing forum. There's going to be exchanges of opinion and facts. Tomorrow is another day as Jean Roqua once said.

 

Usyk UD.