floyd patterson vs rocky marciano in 1956

Not sure on that, I think Marciano loses before Liston gets him.

My money is on Machen or Folly.

 

He was certainly smart to retire when he did, but I dont think that there was any plausible threat to him at the time.

The up and coming crop were regarded as bing verry weak. On his retirment, ring mag said that he could have beaten any two heavyweights left in the division in the same night.

Without the benefit of hindsight, he assumed that there was nobody left worth fighting.

 

So do I.

I dont think that Patterson would be the one to do it either.

 

I agree, but I thought were just talking about weather Liston or Patterson could beat Marciano.
Because they certainly could.
I do think that Machen or Folley could do it.

 

prime for prime, I give Liston a good shot in beating Marciano and vice vesa.

I relly think Marciano's power could win the day for him in this prime match up. Who knows, but the jab would be hard to get past though, its not as fast as Walcott's was, but its a lot more powerful. And it could mess up Marciano imo.


I dont give Patterson of the 50's much chance, I give his 70's counter part more of a chance when he started boxing and not charging head first. He might have last longer vs Liston had he box and not try to out slug Liston.

Not saying Patterson would have won, but at least he could get out of round 1.

 

Floyd Patterson was young at age 21 in '56, but his confidence was soaring and his hands were fast as lightning that also carried damn good power for a man around 182 rock hard pounds of muscle...

I can still picture a 33 year old Marciano in 1956 to be lean and mean at his 187 to 192 pounds of solid muscle, but, I can see him also being slower than Molasses next to Patty in the ring...

I think F. Patty schools Marciano over 15 rds and takes the decision 10 to 5 over 15 rds of technical boxing, mainly administered by the younger, quicker and more spry Patty....

MR.BILL

P.S.

I don't give a rats ass how hardcore some 'Marciano' fans are, but I know damn well by the likes of '58 or '59 he'd have been murdered by such dude's as "Liston or Williams."

Boxers like "Machen and Folley" probably just school him easy for the points win...

MR.BILL

 

I can see Liston and possibly Patterson getting to Rocky in the later 1950's. I don't see Machen or Folley as being threats to his record. IMO Folley would fold up like an accordian if Marciano ever landed on him even in the late 1950's. I doubt Williams could ever beat the Rock either.

 

A Marciano-Williams fight in the late 50's would've been fun to watch, that much is for sure. I can see Williams forcing the ref to stop it with Marciano still on his feet or Marciano having a KO similar to the one he got over Rex Layne.

 

Assuming Marciano knockouts Williams and retires at 50 something and 0. How much higher in your option will a knockout victory help Marciano's standed ranking wise vs other top ten guys.

 

I already rate Marciano at #3 in my all time heavyweight list, and depending on his wins, I might but him at #2 (which would replace Ali), but chances are I wouldn't and I would just have him firmly rooted in at #3, but it would put him in Louis and Ali's class.

Instead of looking like:
1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali

3. Rocky Marciano

It would look like:
1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Rocky Marciano

 

they were not struggles, they were one-sided slaughters, minus the flash KD in the 2nd of the Moore fight. Cockel was brave and recognized the importance of this fight but he was dominated and so was Moore for the most part. These were savage beatings Marciano administered....nothing less

 

I agree with your top 3, makes a lot of sense ...although I think Marciano had the style to beat Ali and had a chance because of styles over Louis as well.

I think the overall longevity because of the styles of Louis and Ali favor them but then again Marciano was smart enough to give us only his best and he started late in the pro's.

The man had smarts and enough pride of his boxing legacy to not let money get in the way of his perfect snapshot of condition,power,stamina,strength and the ability to execute them effectively.

Marciano was going to come-back but when he no longer loved the gym and the work he knew it was best to leave it well enough alone.

Marciano took head in the fact that the greatest Heavyweight ever Joe Louis did not come back successfully so that and the fact that a swarmer needs great conditioning to be effective he wisely opted out.

I give him credit for the respect he brought to boxing and himself. He took it very serious.

 

He did his career perfectly. He worked his way to the top, dominated as a champion, retired when he started regressing more than he was comfortable with, and resisted the comeback temptations.

 

Marciano by brutal and embarrassing KO. There is no other result for this fight.