Floyd Patterson vs. Rocky Marciano

That or he changed his style to not just go for the one big punch and instead overwhelmed his oponent.

 

Marciano did say that he hit Cockell harder and more often than any other opponent. So I doubt he changed his approach much.

 

Actually Dez, he did change his approach. This is very noticeable with your own two eyes if you take the time to study marcianos style in 1951-1952 vs the change in 1954-1955.

Marciano in 1951-1952 was a one punch knockout artist slugger while the 1954-1955 marciano was an attrtion puncher swarmer version. Marciano hit harder in the early 1950s than he did in 1954-1955 once his style changed. But marcianos power in the early 1950s was on frighteningly display...he scored devastating one punch knockouts on film over walcott and layne. You say ingo hits harder than marciano? what one punch knockouts did ingo pocess greater than marcianos over layne and walcott?

Ill get quotes from you later of people of the times, who BELIEVED marcianos style changed by 1954 caussing his power drop.

 

I can't name any as I have only viewed a couple of Ingo's fights. I'm not saying I'm absolutely right about Ingo hitting harder. It's all based on my opinion. And my opinions constantly change. I read that Rocky generated a little more than a thousand pounds of force with his best punch when it was measured. Do you know any other measurements. I know of an MMA fighter who equaled that. I don't know his name. I'm sure many heavyweights today can do better.

 

You're talking about when in the mid-late 1960's Marciano went and had some fun at a military station where they measured his punch. His punch was clocked to have more force behind it than the armor piercing bullets did, and had enough force to spotlift 1,000lbs 12 inches off of the ground.

 

He didn't say he hit Cockell harder than any other oponent, he said Don was the most durable and toughest man he ever faced. He said he hit him with his best shot, but Don would either get back up or stay right there.

You will notice in the Archie Moore fight Marciano in the last 3-4 rounds did nothing but punch for every second of each round. This was not like Marciano unless he had his man hurt. The Marciano of 1951-1952 was a 1 punch knockout artist. He looked for that 1 big punch to end things. I'm pretty sure Charlie Goldman even said that he changed Marciano's style more to overwhelm the person rather than take them out with 1 shot. By doing this it made it a lot less likely he would lose a decision, or have a close call like he did in the first Walcott fight.

 

That's not the measurement I was referring to. That statement is deceptive because it leads any casual reader to believing he could lift 1000 pounds a foot in the air by just punching it. In actuality it's saying that the amount of energy required to lift 1000 lbs a foot in the air is about the same as the energy required for Rocky to deliver a single blow.

 

You might well be right about ingo hitting harder but that is not the point.

Ingo was a fighter who really only had one good punch while Marciano packed dynamite into all of them, continued to do so into the late rounds of the fight, and threw a lot of them in each round.

Therfore the liklihood of him catching Patterson with something decisive is considerable.

 

I used to be infactuated with Rocky's knockout of Walcott. I used to watch it over and over again. I agree that Rocky was a really good puncher.

 

I think Ingo could turn out just about anybody's lights out with his right, whether it be the vulnerable Patterson or the iron-chinned Eddie Machen. Patterson made it even easier for him by trying to force the fight recklessly, leaving himself open, which Johansson quickly took advantage of.

I wouldn't compare Liston with Marciano. Liston had a huge reach and size advantage over Patterson, being a 215 lb man with 84" reach who walked around at 230.

Marciano would actually be at a reach disadvantage although he too is probably stronger than Patterson since he trained down from around 200 lbs while Patterson had to add weight to become a heavyweight.

 

Marciano and Liston certainly compare in punching power and strength. Patterson could not beat men with ATG punching power and ATG strength, qualities both marciano and liston possessed. Take note listons reach and size didnt even come into factor, as All of listons blows he hit patterson with were on the inside. Patterson swarming Marciano and Liston is suicide.

 

The Rock DESTROYS Patterson....too many guns!!!

 

I agree completely.

My point however is that against Marciano, Patterson atleast has the possibility of outpointing him from a distance. Against Liston, he would have been annihilated either way, since Liston with his superior reach would have outjabbed him easily. If you need any evidence of this, watch their first fight and still the film when both throw a jab at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgv5rzKMn4
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He chose to go after Liston since that's what his usual style was at that point of his career and found out very quickly that it was the wrong thing to do.

Either way though, he would have lost.

 

I agree completley.