Floyd Patterson vs Smoking Joe Frazier in 1967.

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  1. DS Phil Hunter

    DS Phil Hunter Active Member Full Member

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    In 1965 Floyd Pattersom fought George Chuvalo in what was regarded as the fight of the year. Patterson himself said even though he wasn't knocked out or stopped that was one of his hardest fights. Joe Frazier was really emerging as a early profressional with a succession of knockouts and Patterson by 1967 may well have been on the decline. I wouldn't discount him totally against Frazier and his experience would make this potentially competitive but I would favour Frazier here if this match up happened any earlier I think Patterson would have more of chance for sure.
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Thanks, great post by you.
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    True, Patterson defeated Chuvalo on Feb 1 1965 and was offered a shot at the winner of Terrell vs Machen WBA title bout scheduled for March 5 1965, won by Terrell, Patterson declined and opted to face champion Muhammad Ali on Nov 22 1965 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Patterson defeated Oscar Bonavena on points on Feb 14 1972.
     
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  4. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Yeah I am all for trying to push back against how poorly Floyd Patterson performs in mythical matchups here, but I just see Frazier getting to him tbh
     
  5. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frazier would nail Patterson with his left hook at some point and that would be the beginning of the end.
     
  6. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Floyd's last hurrah was really against Quarry in underrated fights. It's a shame he had back problems but he had them even in 65 against Ali. Not saying he would beat Frazier especially not the peak one of 67-71 but it's still a significant hindrance. That style is just not built for longevity in general.
     
  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier from Quarry I to FOTC was pretty much at or (or in the case of FOTC) beyond prime Liston...and that's saying a WHOLE lot, being that Liston was an easy top 7 h2h.

    Floyd would combust from Smoke inhalation.
     
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  8. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would pick Frazier but it would be competitive and might go the distance. I will refer to the OP, “Frazier in 1967.” Flame away if you will but I can’t help but think people who are crowing “Smoke will do this or do that” are at least subliminally thinking about the destruction machine of March 8, 1971, instead of the raw unpolished undeveloped gem of 1967.
     
  9. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Could very easily turn out this way although I would still take Frazier.

    Patterson is eternally underrated here, probably because of the Liston fights. But I’ll go there … IMO absolute peak Liston (emphasis on absolute peak) does a Jamaica on every version of Frazier including FOTC 8 of 10 times, even though I have Frazier higher than Liston on my ATG list, because of the stylistic matchup.
     
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  10. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks,Richard.
     
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  12. Richard M Murrieta

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    You are sure welcome my friend.
     
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  14. Fergy

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    I see Floyd winning a few of the early rounds but Joe comes on strong the later it goes.
    Think Joe stops around the ninth round mark.
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

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    Joe went to the Devil and back against Bonavena on Sept 21 1966, Frazier was decked twice in the same round and was awarded a split decision. In 1967 Frazier was clamoring for a title bout against champion Muhammad Ali, however a very shrewd Yank Durham refused to let his charge ever get into the ring against a peak 1967 Ali. In July 1967, Joe stopped George Chuvalo by TKO 4. In 1967 Floyd Patterson drew and lost to upcoming contender Jerry Quarry. Patterson vs Frazier would have been interesting.
     
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