Floyd Patterson would have sucked in any other era

Jones wasn't ranked either when he faced Frazier and I don't know if Machen was. Machen did beat Quarry that year, though, so he still had something in the tank.

 

Also, he was around 195 lbs even in top shape in 1965 so that's a lot to cut down from to 175 in the same day weigh-in era. On the other hand, he was actually somewhat lighter later on and substantially lighter in the 50's, so may be had bulked up a bit to get to 195.

 

Yup and of course Patterson won his belt over Archie Moore. Ironically Moore won his NSAC HW belt by beating the biggest top HW of that era in Nino Valdes but couldn't beat Marciano who was smaller than him. After Louis all the champs and most contenders had been Pattersons size or smaller.

At this point there had been 7 fighters to win a title in both divisions Hart, Fitzsimmons, Schreck, Tunney, Stribling, Bivins and Moore and countless other dual contenders. Spinks is often referred to as the first HW/LHW dual champ which sells short how much overlap between the two divisions there used to be. With all the aphabet belts I think theres only been 5 LHW contenders or champs to get title shots at HW since Pattersons reign. And now of course theres a division(maybe 2 divisions) seperating them.

But the point is Patterson would have viewed this entirely differently.

 

Two important points to take away here.

Even if you put Patterson in an era where the heavyweight champion is a head to head monster, he still has the option of a run at the light heavyweight title, and he is still going to have insane longevity as a top contender.

If you put him in an ear where there are multiple titles, and many weight classes, then he is just going to go on a treasure hunt.

It is practically impossible for Patterson to suck in any era.

 

I gotta agree with that statement, but with no joy at all, because it just shows what a terminal mess boxing currently is with the alphabet soup, the hypermultiplication of weight categories and the "no journeymen left titleless" attitude.

Last time I checked:

- Fairweather accumulated 15 belts.
- Pacroid was champion in 8 weight categories.
- Ducknelo held like 7 world titles at the same time.

No way Patterson doesn't manage to make a dent, even a small one, in such a degraded environment.
Even if he is not dominant, even if he is eclipsed by bigger dogs, it is almost impossible Patterson doesn't manage to squeeze a title here or there.

 

As if things weren't embarrassing enough already.

It's only missing the "so there!!!!!!!" or "nah nah nah nah nah!!!!"

 

Oh you really got me there.

 

You ****inually get yourself, no-one else has to.

 

Alright mate.

 

Patterson fought Maxim and Slade at LHW.

 

For comparison Patterson's reigns were (NBA rankings also): nr 1, unranked, nr 3, nr 4 (originally planned against nr 2), nr 1, nr 3 (rematch clause), unranked and nr 1.

And this was also over a longer period than Rocky's reign.

 

Here is my statement,
"Patterson fought the following ranked contenders."

The Maxim fight and the first Slade fight were at Light heavy with Maxim no 2 Slade no 5.
Slade was ranked no 10 at heavy when he fought Floyd the 2nd time, and weighed 180lbs.
re your earlier question.
"what did Pastrano ever do at heavyweight?"
He beat 22 heavyweights including;
Layne
Arthur
Bygraves
London
Maxim
McMurtry
Cavicchi
McNeeley
Norkus
Johnson
Richardson
And drew with Moore in 62 at heavyweight.Moore had ko'd Lavorante no in 1 round 3 months earlier and was himself ranked no9.
Pastrano was a Ring ranked heavyweight in;
55.no5
56.no4
57.no3
58.no5

 

Far from it ,but I do like to research things before I comment on them.