Floyd should be praised for exposing Pac & possibly changing policy of future testing

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jacory Harris, Dec 31, 2009.


  1. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hate getting blood drawn, yet I have two half sleeves. Funny coincidence or just something mental????? Pac has superstitions like a lot of Filipinos, maybe not the brightest way of thinking but it is a way of life.
     
  2. urmutha

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    :good i get a bit dizzy after drawing blood but after rest, i feel better. but i can understand why others would be affected. jmo it's psychological and not dependant on race.
     
  3. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    The same demand is made to every olympian including olympic boxers. Olympians who refuse to pass the test for fear of needles or on account of supertition or whatever would have to suck it up or give up their olympic dreams, plain and simple.

    What makes it that pro boxers can make exception to random testing? Serious loopholes in pro boxing drugs policies, that's what.

    The least we can expect from a boxing match is that both athletes are clean and abide by the rules. For that to happen, the sport needs random testing.
     
  4. RealBoxing

    RealBoxing Kill The Nonsense Full Member

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    :deal
     
  5. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So why not bring it to the commissions door? Or is this simply a mind game?
     
  6. philthyphil

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    Don't understand why people continually misconstrue won't agree on a cutoff date as "won't take a test." Again and again, it's been noted that the problem was the cutoff dates. That article is floating around here somewhere where they agreed to the random testing but only up until 30 days out.

    I too would want Manny to do whatever it takes to clear his name, but I can't fault Pac for wanting a cutoff date. I'm sure it has to do with being annoyed, having been clean this entire time, yet having different publications, media, and having to suffer fan backlash for not wanting to "submit to testing."

    Maybe they could do the random testing up to a certain point, but not within, let's say 14 days, or maybe 7 days prior, and then again immediately after the fight.

    If you remember, Pacquiao was blood tested two days prior to the first Morales fight in order to renew his boxing license in Nevada, and maybe his premise for having a bad experience was being tested too close to that fight. Although he just clearly got outboxed that night, that could be part of his "superstition" as far as giving blood days before a fight, considering he hasn't lost a bout since then.

    If I remember correctly, it's not just "a test." USADA standards involve 8 random urine analysis exams and 5 random blood tests. If Pacquiao was hesitant to give blood two days prior to the Morales fight and "random" means absolutely "random" to USADA, who's to say they wouldn't come every single day the week of the fight? I personally think that's what Manny doesn't want to happen.

    So I say, fine make it random testing, but make the cutoff 2 weeks before. And I know someone's going to come back and say, a cutoff date of 14 days prior to the bout is not random....Then wtf would it take to please Floyd's team and his fans? If Pacquiao was willing to take it at the kickoff presser, 30 days prior, and post-fight, meeting in the middle with that pre-fight test 14 days prior isn't good enough?
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    Pacquiao, though, isn’t the only high-profile athlete who has expressed reservations about giving blood near or at the time of competition. Jamaican sprinter Asafa Powell complained he was tested excessively during the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, in which he won a gold medal as a member of his nation’s 4 x 100 meter relay team.

    “I got pretty upset two days ago because since I have been here, they have tested me four times,” Powell said during the 2008 Games. “They’ve taken so much blood from us we’re going to be very weak before the final.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-testing122309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
     
  7. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    I'm not praising Mayweather for anything nor am I questioning his motives. Any comment regarding either boxer's motivations is pure speculation at this point.

    What I've said was meant to emphasize the importance of implementing clear and strict drug policies in boxing.
     
  8. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can understand that... If Mayweather feels stricter testing should be involved then to me it's a commission problem.
     
  9. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    It is.
     
  10. sonny73

    sonny73 Active Member Full Member

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    Looking at this from a strictly neutral prospective it does seem very very strange Pacman is mentioned in all this when virtually all the boxers who have been caught out in the past have been American....surely Americans cannot preach to everyone else until they get their own house in order.The rest of the world knows all about the drug problems that all American sports seem to have
     
  11. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So, should they petition the NSAC?
     
  12. philthyphil

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    That's partly what fuels this whole fiasco.

    The thought process: Could it be? That this little Asian fighter from a country not normally deemed even adequate in the sport of boxing is beating these great Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters? No, maybe at bantamweight, maybe at flyweight, but not at these weight classes. This kid has to be on something. He has to be on steroids. A 5'6 145lb. filipino? Blasphemy!!!

    Some people have just been really ignorant in regards to the race aspect of this entire thing.
     
  13. Ziggy Montana

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    They (or anyone else) should if they have a genuine concern for the sport.

    That being said the whole issue reaches far beyond what the Mayweathers, GBP, etc. think or do.
     
  14. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Testing against illegal drugs should be viewed as a good thing by the public. Even if it just comes down to more qualified and informed personnel conducting tests.
     
  15. killa

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    EXACTLY!!! This is where all the Pac witch hunters are missing the damn point. He never declined to being tested. He doesn't want it so close to the fight. That would sound suspicious but get this: He's willing to give a blood sample right after the fight. That alone makes up for their not being a sample taking very close to the fight. Any illegal substance that is meant to do anything meaningful will still be in his system directly after the fight! That is a reasonable and plausible enough adjustment for their not being a sample taken so close to the fight. The post fight blood sample will catch anything in his system.