floyd should fight in middleweight

jonze86,

You're being illogical.

Floyd, up until recently, has been fighting once per year, and he's already had a brief retirement.

Floyd trains hard for about 10 weeks, and then has long periods off, to heal his body.

Ray Robinson, at one point was fighting once per month. After one of his bouts with Jake La Motta, he re matched him just THREE WEEKS later.

Floyd is 36, and he's slowing down. He needs a lot of time off in between fights. So how would his body cope with fighting every month or so?

Ray Robinson lost to inferior fighters, because fighting that regularly takes it's toll.

You say Floyd's style is hit and not get hit. So was Ray's. But when you've fought over a hundred times, the wear and tear on your body would be immense. You're reflexes and timing start to slip.

Ray's life, was training, then fighting, then training, and fighting. The guy hardly took a break.

Of course Amir Khan would pose a problem for Floyd.

Lets say that Floyd had fought 150 times as it stands.

What sort of shape would he be in?

He certainly wouldn't be in the same shape that he is now.

Then lets say, it's now September, and Floyd had already fought 8-9 times this year. Then lets say, that he fought last week (like he obviously did) and he was scheduled to meet Khan in just 3 weeks time.

Of course there's a chance that Khan could beat him. That doesn't mean that Khan's a better fighter, it's just the circumstances that's involved.

Boxing hasn't gone backwards, as a whole, but It's certainly not evolved either like other sports.

Many of today's best fighters, would get their ass handed to them by their predecessors.

You've got to be on mind bending drugs, if you don't think that Floyd would lose the odd fight, boxing 200 times, until he was 43.

The world has changed within the last 70 years.

No modern boxer is ever going to fight 200 times. We will never ever see such a thing again.

SRR didn't fight loads and loads of cans. They just look like that on paper, because each of his opponents, had a fair few losses. But everyone did back then. Because they all had loads of fights, and everybody fought each other. It was a different world.

How could Floyd fight 20 times next year?

Floyd couldn't fight 20 times next year, against amateur fighters. Because his body would not be up to all of the training, and fighting without a rest. It would be physically impossible for Floyd to fight that many times.

You are being ridiculous.

 

Jake La Motta was a MW, but in theory, yes of course he could have beaten Floyd.

If Floyd had a 3 month camp to prepare, and he was 100% fit and healthy, then you'd have to say no.

But again, lets supposing Floyd was tired, and his body ached, and he's had a 150 fights, and had fought just 3 to 4 weeks before he got into the ring against Jake.

Of course he could lose.

If Ray Robinson had only had 45 fights in his era, taking a year off at a time, and having three month camps, he probably would have been untouchable.

 

You have to also think then La Motta had fight 3-4 weeks ago.it can't go only one way.Let's suppose la motta was tired and weared and have to fight floyd?La Motta lose badly,it always goes two ways.unless you somehow think that SRR was only one who was weared down.and i don't think floud goes undefeated 200fights and i never said that,only speculatink SRR run at WW and up until he started to lose.i'm dead serious when thinkink that floyd could have done the same thing and i think you are ignorant if you think that's impossible for floyd.almost everyone keeps saying floyd is the hardest worker in modern boxing and to be honest i tend to agree.you never see floyd tired or start to slow down.but yes impossible to compare only speculate.we never know,also it's ridicolous to say that SRR would run trough floyd's resume.it's only opinions

And boxing have definetly evolved from earlydays.there were only couple of real boxers who were truly great boxers,i think SRR changed all.to me hi is first real boxer with actual skill set and atleticism.to me the greatest boxers who have mastered the art are SRR,SRL,Whitaker and Mayweather.and that's my opinion no bias.also i rate SRR above Mayweather because he was truly amazing and +30 years ahead others.SRR was also unbeatable i don't count much his losses because he was old and fighting in wrong weight.only argue that in my opinion floyd could have taken SRR place and went also basically undefeated +100 fights.floyd is also ahead of his time by a mile.the only knocks for floyd haters are that he got only45 fights and is no ko. artist.you can't blame floyd because modern era is different,less fights and more politics

 

he turned pro at 126 pounds
whats funny about him failing at 175?

 

and how you can say floyd could not fight 20times next year?stop the fantasy about old timers.if they could do that how in the earth you think floyd or other modern boxers can't?
you are being ridicolous now if you honestly think boxing is world's only sport where atheletes don't have evolved.i respect the old but you have to keep your eyes opened,no future boxer never can be anywhere the level of SRR by your logic,or other old fighters.because they fight more.:think

 

lamotta would be outclassed by mayweather

 

I think Floyd should fight Wlad in his next fight

 

Boxing has evolved Really to what part time fighting ???

 

How on earth could Floyd fight 20 times in one year?

It would be physically impossible for him to do that.

No, it's not just because they fight more.

Fighting more is a good thing and a bad thing. The more you fight, the better you become, and the more styles you encounter. But then obviously, there's more wear and tear on the body.

How has boxing evolved exactly?

The fighters have got strength and conditioning coaches, and there's nutritionists etc, but they can only take a guy so far.

There's lots of fighters today that gas early, and wouldn't be able to fight for 15 rounds.

Fighters were in peak shape back then. They were always in the gym or fighting, and they didn't pile on the pounds as much as modern day fighters. Obviously there'll be exceptions, but as a whole, I don't see how today's guys are superior.

An athlete today might be super fit, super strong, and have better training facilities and equipment.

But none of that means that he's definitely going to be a better fighter than a guy from 60 years ago does it?

 

Now whe're talking sense... get it done. Fight the HW champ just like the oldtimers did. No buts, no catchweights, just poco mano i grande mano :toney

 

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Yes, but we're looking at a hypothetical scenario, where Floyd fights him after having had 150 + fights, and he's back in the ring for the 2nd time, within a 7-8 week period.

Under those circumstances, La Motta could have beaten him.

 

So what?

Do you think Ray fought 100, 4 round fights?

They were still skilled pro's.

 

jonze86,

Well I'm just creating some hypothetical scenarios, based on Ray's record. But Ray had 94 more fights, than what Jake had.

But I take your point, hypothetically Jake might have fought 3-4 weeks previously.

But the point is, it would be highly plausible that any top 10-20 ranked guy in Floyd's weight class, could beat Floyd, if Floyd fought every month, and fought 200 times. It would happen to anyone.

Based on the footage that I've seen, I would say SRR would run through Floyd's resume.

You keep saying that Floyd is a hard worker, but fail to mention that he's only been fighting once per year, and he's already retired. As it stands now, Floyd at 36, wouldn't be able to fight 4 times in a year. Not at this stage of his career. He couldn't do it.

It's easy to say that you've never seen Floyd slow down.

But what about if he was in a 15 rounder, and he'd already fought well over a 100 times? Then what?

How would he look then?

Who knows, but I bet it wouldn't look as good as he does right now.

If this is how you feel, then you need to do some serious research. There was Henry Armstrong, Archie Moore, Kid Gavilan, Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, to name a few.

There's nothing to suggest that Floyd would have gone 100 fights without a defeat, and you're forgetting that Floyd started out at a lower weight. So he wouldn't have been fighting the same opponents as what Ray did.

 

How often did the SRRs and fighters of that era spar in between fights and in training?
I'm willing to bet some of the boxers sparring sessions today are harder than some of the fights from that era.