floyd should fight in middleweight

They never sparred; they did ballet and watched Fred Astaire films while eating a bowl of cherries. Not like the tremendous athletes of today who are infinitely superior in every way, have five arms and eight legs and hit with crushing power. I ****ing give up!:roll:

 

thats the dumbest thing ever. How many of those guys were great figthters? The only difference between then and now is sparring. Instead of fighting guys, Floyd is sparring. Floyd could easily be 128-1-2 right now when most of those guys would be just like his sparring partners are now. Alot of times guys fought sparring partner type guys even 2 or 3 times.

 

He could fight Ward at 168 and he still woudln't be considered the GOAT even in my book and I'm a big PBF fan. The guys in the top ATG list are held to too high of a standard that no modern boxer can reach. So it really doesn't matter what he does he won't be seen in their class. With that said he's already a top 25 ATG if he finishes his career at 49-0 or 50-0 he'd be a top 15 to 20 ATG.

 

jonze86,

Look, I really enjoy debating with you, and you're entitled to your opinion, just like I am. But without being rude, I know that you aren't aware of the great fighters of the past. I know this from what you have said. You could have said, that the four guys you've mentioned, are the best that you've seen.

But you didn't say that.

You said the following:

"There were only a couple of real boxers, who were great." (In Robinson's era.)

But that is just pure ignorance. You can't make that statement, just because you aren't aware of who they were.

You're lacking perspective.

You are only looking at it from a certain point of view.

If I had a time machine, and I went back to the 40's and picked a decent opponent of Robinson's out at 147, and he fought Floyd TODAY, then Floyd would probably win.

But you are imagining Floyd as he is now, at 36, still in fantastic shape, and still unbeaten.

But look at things from a different perspective. Lets put Floyd in a time machine, and send him back to the 40's.

But instead of Floyd being the Floyd he is today, that we saw against Canelo, lets look at things differently.

Lets imagine, that instead of Floyd being 45-0, lets imagine that he's already amassed over 150 fights, and he's been fighting once per month.

If Floyd had already fought over 150 times, he wouldn't be in the same shape as last weekend.

So lets say he fights Robinson's opponent, and he'd already fought ten times this year, and he'd had over 150 fights in his career already.

It's likely that he could have dropped a decision against Robinson's opponent.

The same applies to fighters from the 50's.

Pick a contender out at 147, give Floyd a 3 month camp, and Floyd probably wins.

But again, put Floyd in the 50's with 150 fights on his resume, with little rest, then he could well lose.

You're not allowing for the huge differences in circumstances between Floyd's era, and Ray's era.

Again, If Ray Robinson had only fought 45 times, instead of 200 times, with 3 month camps, and huge lay offs, he probably would have been absolutely untouchable!

I'm not saying that Floyd doesn't stay in shape. But Robinson was in fighting shape all year round. It would be physically impossible for Floyd to fight 20 times per year at this point. He has 10 week camps, fights, then lets his hands heel, and the rest of his body. If he fought 20 times, he'd only have around two weeks in camp, then he'd fight, then he'd have a two week break, then he'd be in camp again. His body wouldn't be able to cope. It wouldn't be possible. He'd never get a proper rest. His body and skills would decline.

Athletes may evolve with sports science and nutritionists etc. But it doesn't mean that fighters have evolved, and that the boxers today, are better than boxers of 30 years ago etc. I'm saying that there's no proof that boxing has evolved. A lot of today's best fighters, would be beaten by their predecessors. I'm not downplaying those fighters that you've mentioned. Those fighters that you've mentioned would probably beat nearly all of their counterparts from today, and that proves that boxing doesn't get better, like other sports do over time.

 

Ward should fight at heavyweight.

 

How have techniques evolved?

Certain skills have declined.

How many fighters do you see today that throw great body shots? How many of today's guys are great at in fighting?

That's two quick examples.

Ray Robinson's peak was 70 years ago.

What do you think would happen, if he was fighting at his peak at 147 today?

 

This x 1000! :good

 

Even if Floyd moved up and beat a top MW, his resume still wouldn't equal Ray's. Ray fought peak versions of Duran, Hearns and Benitez.

 

Give us specific examples of which boxing techniques have improved?

 

Tell this to the guys who don't credit Roy Jones's win over John Ruiz.

 

no need there are plenty of guys willing to go to 154 and meet him there, Martinez and Golovkin are two of them

 

none, its what separates mayweather from everyone else today are his old school abilities.

 

Floyd started at 130 SRR started at 147
Floyd has fought in 5 divisions, Duran fought accross 5 divisions, SRR fought across 5 divisions the myth that the older ATGs challenged themselves by fighting bigger men and Floyd doesn't is false

 

it's a legit questions broham. I"m not trying to **** on the fighters of the past eras. I'm just saying, they're not all gonna be ELITE competition. Some were most likely sparring sessions that probably ended early with a KO.

 

Where does this come from?

You're trying to generalise.

Man is smarter than before?

Really?

Go and look at all the idiots walking around, in every town and city, in every country in the world.

There seems to be more now, than ever before, wherever you go.

Technology improves every year, but society in general seems to be going the other way.

Man is bigger and stronger now?

Says who?

Why are you comparing athletes to boxers?

If Usain Bolt ran the 100m's against a sprinter from the 60's, then my money would be on Bolt.

If a peak Muhammad Ali fought David Haye, then I'd out my house on Ali.