Floyd Still Hyping His W Over Green + Drained Canelo; Says Canelo KOs Triple G...

Canelo was a great win for Floyd, one that could be proven greater at the later stage.
However I would take any Floyd's words with a grain of salt. The man is a walking contradiction and agenda. He'll say whatever to promote his self interest, I don't blame him as most people are the same.

 

Faster - Check!
Better defense - well...ok, check!
More experience - a swing and a horrible miss. Man has had over 450 fights.
Nothing crazy about the outcome, just can't see that happening, both of them have the power to send the other to "Destination F-ed" and a chin to not go down easily, which is why I think their fight could go the distance. But sure, Floyd and many others (on both sides) will make statements like that cuz' that attracts attention and that's all they need.

 

You sure about that? I mean, there's this guy who thinks AJ would beat Ali because he thinks that AJ runs sprints faster.

 

Interesting choice of words. Only one thing got pieced up there.

 

Floyd ruining their lives never gets old. Can't wait for the two year anniversary of him schooling pac

 

After Canelo - Cintron, that was before Floyd moved back up to 154 to fight Cotto. At the time Floyd was only fighting at 147, so having a catchweight might have made more sense. Once Floyd went up to 154 to fight Cotto, and won a Jr Middleweight Title, at that point a catchweight of 150 or 152 would be absurd, because at that point Floyd was a 154-lb champion. Not only that, but Floyd made a big stink in the pre-fight about how he wanted to fight Cotto at 154 so Cotto could be at his best, so he wouldn’t be drained like Cotto was vs Pacquiao at a catchweight. Floyd went out of his way to criticize Pacquiao for draining Cotto at a catchweight, and said because of that, he still considered Cotto an undefeated fighter.

I’m not sure Canelo ever said he’d gladly meet Floyd at 150 in 2011, I think he was asked if he was interested in fighting Floyd, and the reporter may have mentioned a catchweight, and Canelo said something like Yes he’d gladly fight Floyd, and that turned into the whole “Canelo wanted a catchweight BS”.

Even if Canelo said he’d gladly do a 150 catchweight with Floyd in 2011, which had been reported, that was before Floyd went up to JMW to fight Cotto. So when Floyd did that, and fought him at 154, there would be no basis then for Floyd to demand a catchweight. You said that Floyd could have held Canelo to “150”, but allowed Canelo to weigh 152. In reality, why would Floyd push for a catchweight at all after fighting Cotto at 154. He basically did to Canelo what he criticized Pacquiao for doing to Cotto, making him a huge hypocrite.

I agree that Canelo wasn’t green when he fought Floyd. But he was drained, due to the catchweight, and that made him “look” green as being drained affected his performance.

It was incredible from a defensive standpoint, but not from an offensive standpoint. Neither Canelo or Floyd landed much of anything on the night. Floyd got the hometown decision, Canelo gave him his closest fight since Castillo / DLH, but we’ll never know if Canelo would have been able to beat Floyd, because he wasn’t at his best, because he had to drain himself down to 152.

Unfortunately, there’s an asterisk around that win for Floyd, due to him needing a catchweight. It’s completely different than something like Canelo Chavez at 164.5 lbs, because it’s a non-title fight, and Canelo is moving up 10+ lbs. (two weight classes up)

Floyd was already a 154-lb champ, both Canelo and Floyd held 154-lb titles. For it to be 152 was preposterous and it set a bad precedent that catchweights are okay for title fights. They’re not.

I would also point out that look at the amount of likes you got for your post. The majority of posters seem to agree with what you’re saying, and are basically giving Floyd a pass for doing the catchweight vs Canelo, saying that it was okay. Look, I respect Floyd Mayweather, I respect his career, and I understand that he was getting older and needed to take a shortcut to beat Canelo. But the fact is that there was no grounds from him to do a catchweight with Canelo. When he moved up to 154 to fight Cotto and said all that stuff about how he didn’t do catchweights, to then pull the catchweight card for Canelo, referring to something Canelo may have said that was probably lost in translation back in 2011 (before Floyd moved up to 154) is a sign of weakness.

I respect pretty much every fight Floyd ever fought, except for the Canelo fight because it was illegitimate. To make matters worse, Floyd refused to rematch Canelo despite Canelo giving him his closest fight since Castillo / DLH (even while drained). I wish I could agree with you and praise Floyd for that performance but I can’t due to his hypocrisy and the fact that he wouldn’t rematch Canelo after such a close bout.

We’ll never know if Canelo would have been able to beat Floyd at 154 because Floyd wouldn’t fight him there. Canelo wasn’t at his best but he still deserves respect for how he fought that fight.

 

^^^ I really wanted to commend you for the well written post, but once I got to the part where you said FLoyd received a hometown decision in that fight, well no offense, your post lost immediate credibility.

Are you really trying to say with a straight face that Canelo was competitive in that fight with Mayweather Jr? If I was in an altruistic mood, I could generously give Canelo 2 rounds in that fight- MAYBE 3 if I'm looking through extremely bias lenses, but nothing more.

I'm not going to go into detail about the CW clause but I remember specifically in PRINT coming from Canelo's mouth that he made mention of 150 lbs. I'm not just talking about a generalized CW he'd agree to, he mentioned specifically the 150 lb numeric he'd walk into the ring at to have a fight with FLoyd materialize.

I didn't mention it being an offensively pleasing match from Floyd because of his lack of punch output. The punches he did throw landed quite accurately, and aside from his defensive wizardry in that fight, he also put together some of the best counterpunching I've seen from a fighter in years. How he was missing some of those shots Canelo was trying to throw at him while he was pinned on the ropes, come back with his own shots and than spin ALvarez around to the turnbuckle was a tutorial on Ring Generalship 101.

I normally don't remember posters and the guys they root for, but I vaguely remember you with your adoration for Alvarez a few years back and I'm pretty sure you thought he was going to dominate this match. I'm going on a hunch here as I'm not in the mood to look at your post count, but I'm pretty sure you were the guy opening up a bunch of threads back than in a pro-Alvarez manner.

I actually like both fighters a great deal and try to stay neutral with my emotions with fighters. It lets me see things from a more objective displacement. You'll never here anyone with a modicum of boxing knowledge ever say something so ridiculous as FLoyd getting a hometown decision against Alvarez. That's a terribly inaccurate statement to make and either speaks volumes of your lack of boxing knowledge or just shows you can't view a fight neutrally because you're too emotionally invested in one of the fighters. Either way, terrible assessment on your part and shame on you for saying something so ludicrous.

Do me a favor, don't bother quoting my post or responding. I only like to debate with people that don't have such an extremely subjective disposition. It's not that hard to remove your emotions when assessing a fight on a round by round basis.

 

What goes through your mind when you read “hometown decision” is something of a robbery. I didn’t say that. It was a “hometown decision” because it was in Floyd’s Hometown!! Floyd received a Hometown decision over Manny Pacquiao and Floyd received a Hometown decision over Berto. Doesn’t mean it was a robbery, just means that it was simply a Decision in his hometown, hence the term “hometown decision”. Hometown decision can be a robbery, but doesn’t have to be. You can’t deny that Floyd vs Canelo was a very Pro-Mayweather event. From the catchweight, to the reaction to the decision, which was outrage at it being so close, and a real agenda to suggest it wasn’t as close as the judges had it. For goodness sake C.J. Ross was exiled from boxing for calling it a draw. This was unbelievably pro-Mayweather and it’s undeniable. I wasn’t making the argument that Canelo deserved to win, only that it was close, his closest fight since Castillo / DLH in fact but it wasn’t treated that way by the public. They wanted to dispel the idea that Canelo gave him a tough fight and was deserving a rematch. You won’t even admit that it was a close fight. You’re the one disagreeing with the judges, not me, as the judges gave Canelo 3, 4, and 6 rounds respectively. You say 3 rounds Max for Canelo, well the judges disagreed, so if you disagree you’re beef is with all 3 of them, not me.

I’m gaining credibility even if I’m in the minority because I’m telling the truth, rather than just giving in to peer pressure and go with the popular belief that it was a Floyd domination. It wasn’t. Canelo didn’t land much offense, neither did Floyd. Floyd had more landed clean punching, but boxing is scored round by round so that doesn’t always translate into who wins. My stance is that Canelo didn’t do enough to win, Floyd did have a few moments where he got to Canelo, but they were few and far between. Floyd did enough to get the decision, but a draw wasn’t out of the question given how defensive it was. My stance is it was a close fight, which the judges scores indicate.

Forget about all that for a moment, and just look at it in sequence. When Canelo was quoted as saying that, it was before Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Cotto. Floyd made a big deal about how he don’t do catchweights. Then he beats Cotto at 154 and becomes a 154 lb champ. At that point, what grounds were there to have a catchweight vs Canelo. When Canelo apparently said that, it was right after Floyd beat Ortiz at Welterweight. At that point, Floyd wasn’t seen as a 154 lb fighter, so I could see more of an argument for a catchweight. But when Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Cotto, to then go back to what Canelo may have said in 2011 when Floyd was known as a welterweight is absurd. When you win a world title at the limit, you should be expected to defend that title at the limit. (no catchweights)

The rest of your post I won’t respond to right now because you asked me not to, but why do you not want me to respond? Are you afraid of talking about this?

 

Floyd, if you think that Canelo beats GGG by ko, why don't you comeback for him?

That would be a funny night where Floyd would end up in the 10th row...

 

Floyd is in your head, bad. Lol he's your ultimate troll.

 

If Golovkin was such easy work Mayweather would have made the fight by now.

Note to Floyd fanatics as GGG fan I'm in no way calling for the fight.

 

Brook got walked down inside 5 rounds. How did Golovkin get "pieced up" and embarrassed? Because his opponent landed punches in route to getting battered and stopped? Golovkin is a pressure fighter, getting caught with the odd punch while forcing exchanges is part of the game, that's why he keeps his chin tucked so well. He executed his strategy, got to his man, and won via a fairly early stoppage.

 

As for the topic at hand, Canelo may have been the most physically imposing of Mayweather's final opponents but he lacked the ring IQ to use his youth and size effectively. He got his ears boxed off.

 

Green? Nope

Weight Drained? Nope

Is the OP a bad poster? Yup

 

You do realize that if you go with the narrative ggg HAD to absorb all those shots to walk down an unproven welterweight it makes him look even worse?

This makes it even less likely he could stand a chance against mayweather. Brook is his best win lol.