Floyd Trying to Talk His Way To Victory Over Pacquiao

I stopped reading when I saw the name, scoop in the title. Scoop is the biggest hack in boxing and has no credibility. Anyone who posts an article from this irrational hating **** And tries to pass it off as legit should be banned from esb on general principle alone.

 

Read the whole thread.

Carefully.

I did not bring up Holy initially.

I cited what he had to say on Pac-Mayweather as rebuttal to another poster who implied that Holy was just fine with tests when in fact, that was fiction.

 

What evidence do you have of this ?

(Then again, evidence is not something you appear to be very familiar with.)

How do you know anything about my degree of familiarity with Olympic style blood tests ?

I've watched the past eleven olympic games, since Mexico and followed the rise of the use of performance-enhancing drugs, and the 'arms race' between the pharmacists and chemists on both sides.

Marion Jones was subjected to almost daily blood tests before and after her wins in Sydney. She wasn't caught by any test, Olympic or otherwise.

It was the testimony of others , and her own eventual admission that brought her down.

Carl Lewis was similarly tested, Olympic style, but that didn't result in him being caught. He wasn't 'exposed' till years later.

There are numerous other examples. These are just two you might have heard of.

So one thing is certain. Olympic style blood tests are far from infallible.

The 'testing' chemists are constantly coming up with new and sophisticated methods of analysis that can detect even the smallest amount of 'questionable' substances.

(To the point of 'catching' the innocent who may have used a cold remedy a month earlier).

And the athletes' chemists are just as busy (and successful) at developing masking agents and administration regimens to defeat the tests.

This is just indicative of the quality of your overall ability to argue your points.

When all else fails, call me a *******.

Feeble.

I have picked against Pac in his last three fights.

in addition, prior to his last fight, I argued several times that Cotto's belt should not be at stake if he was prevented from weighing in at 147.

I argued these points ( and , IMO, won handily) against what you term '*******s.

I have stated numerous times that Mayweather is the overall better boxwer of the two, but that in this particular instance, he bears the great majority of the blame for walking away from the fight.

I'm not going to type out the reasons all over again, but it's obvious to anyone who possesses clear and logical thinking skills, and doesn't get sidetracked with baseless and empty irrelevant points like..

...why would he walk away from $25m if he's clean

... If he's clean, why doesn't he prove it by taking Floyds's tests

etc.

It's probably a safe bet that I've forgotten more details of the protocol and the biochemistry and physiological underpinnings than most posters on here could learn in a month of serious study.

 

Good article, and yeah I agree with it.

 

Is he as bad as you at posting in forums?
If he is half as bad as you, I won't read a word of the article.

 

No.

Here is what a fool sounds like:

And here is how a fool gets answered:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6141788#post6141788



Holy mentioned in his book that the 'Tyson people' were asking about a blood test, but none ever happened. (And a rich request coming from a guy who had fights declared NC on account of his own drug use.)

There was never a hint of blood-testing around the Hagler-Leonard fight. That part is complete fiction.

And, as I've already pointed pointed out, Judah and Mosley never fought.

So that's what a fool looks like.

Please post a link. Should be easy if you've "read it everywhere."

You're looking more foolish with each tap at your keyboard.

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is what this whole controversy is about.

If it wasn't blood, and it wasn't, what the **** is the point in drawing on the example, as that is literally what Mayweather wants here.

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As I've said already, there may be precedent for a fighter ASKING for blood tests outside the usual rules, but there isn't any precedent for them being actually carried out.

You stated flatly, and without a link, that "Holyfield blood tested and passed."

This didn't happen. (If it did, post proof and I will cede the point.)

So it is perfectly reasonable to hear what YOUR example says about the matter.

You're starting to sound like a kid in a school yard

"Come on, do it..

Go on..."

The doping experts have expertise in the methods and means to best test for illegal substances. That is not the issue here.

I have already shown in my other post, that no-one can absolutely guarantee that their tests will catch a cheater.

The more tests that are imposed, the more decisive they will be. That much is obvious, and you don't need expertise to grasp that.

But it is not up to the doping experts as to how to conduct the testing. That, rightfully, is in the jurisdiction of the boxing commissions.

The police are the 'experts' in law-enforcement. But it is not up to the police as to who and where and when they can search, even if they believe they know best. That is up to the legislators and courts, the proper authorities in such matters.

Similarly, it is not up to the drug police (the doping experts), but rather the Boxing commissions to set the testing protocols for title fights.

Yes. it's none of his business.

How many times do you have to be told that it's not Floyd who makes the rules ?

Actually, he doesn't.

Manny has the belt he wants, and the RING ranking he seeks. So if he wants to win them, he has to abide by existing rules and protocols, rather than try to force his own ideas of what's proper on his opponents.

For a guy who sourced **** all in any of his posts so far and has been owned a couple of times now by 'sources', you sure rattle on a lot about sources.

But I'll oblige:

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There you go with that 'fool' **** again.

Where did I say that any commission should be forced to test olympic style for any fights, much less all fights ?

You're becoming a bigger fool with each statement.

More name calling ?

Nitwit ?

You've resorted to making up points that I never made and then rebutting them.

I suppose that's what you have to do when you can't rebut the points I actually DO make.

Connecting dots is something you haven't demonstrated much talent for, so you should probably not go there.




And then we have this gem:

Do you know what a complete ****ing raving, blithering idiot you sound with that last bit.

Who gives a **** if the REQUEST is precedent setting ?

If that was all there was to this, then Floyd has MADE his request.

So the fight is on ?

No, you poor sorry deluded dullard, Floyd doesn't just want to make a request.

He wants the ****ing tests carried out or he's walking (sorry, running).

In your initial post you clearly took issue with me saying that the tests were unprecedented.

When I shot your posts full of holes as being:

Tyson-Holyfield - Holyfield blood tested and passed

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Leonard-Hagler

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Judah-Mosley

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You came back with a reply claiming that you meant the request had precedent, not the actual tests.

If you weren't so sad here, that would be funny.

 

read the VERY FIRST line. Regardless if it's an editorial piece or not, that is a baised opening.

Oh and BTW, editorials can be biased.


Keith

 

I completely disagree.


Keith

 

Stopped reading after the first sentence. He didn't even try easing into his ridiculous assertions.

 

more gobbage

 

Scoop Malinowski tells it like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Scoop bitchawski once again telling it like it ant ..

 

wow even bazooka says floyd tried to make the fight

 

LOL...C'mon bro....You are asking the "WRONG" guy about who anther man's toughtest fight was. I'm not Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr. I don't know what he considers a "hard" or his "Hardest" fight b/c he may feel differently than myself. Who am I to tell him who "HIS HARDEST" fight was against.

I never said Floyd is always a jerk and ass hole. I know he's marketing and taking on the role he set for himself. He loves the bad guy role and he does it well. ANd he sells fights. Bravo!:happy My point is Floyd has NEVER SAID BEFORE WHO HIS HARDEST FIGHT WAS until Hatton....the only time before that was with his fight with Emannuel Agustas (Burton at the time).

I know Floyd gives his opponent respect after fights! I KNOW! Hell...he even gave Zab props after the whole roit in the ring episode....so yea...Floyd is known to be respectful to his foe afterwards....But he's never said that about anyone except for Ricky and EA.

Do you honestly think Floyd said that b/c "he likes Ricky's fanbase"?? He won't get Ricky's fan base. They don't like Floyd.... and are as loyal to Ricky for VERY DIFFERENT QUALITIES than anything Floyd is known for.